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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: x86: 4kstacks default
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:03:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080420160327.GE1899@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080420084127.2fc324ec@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:41:27AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>...
> yes. Adrian is waay off in the weeds on this one. Nobody but him is suggesting to remove
> 8Kb stacks. I think everyone else agrees that having both options is valuable; and there
> are better ways to find+fix stack bloat than removing this config option.

I'm not arguing for removing the option immediately, but long-term we 
shouldn't need it.

This comes from my experience of removing obsolete drivers for hardware 
for which also a more recent driver exists:
As long as there is some workaround (e.g. using an older driver or
8k stacks) the workaround will be used instead of the getting proper 
bug reports and fixes.

As far as I know all problems that are known with 4k stacks are some 
nested things with XFS in the trace.

If this class of issues would get fixed one day, why would it be 
valuable to also offer 8k stacks long-term? Especially weigthed
against the fact that with only 4k stacks we will have more people
running into stack problems in -rc kernels if any new ones pop up,
resulting in getting more such problems fixed during -rc.

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-20 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200804181737.m3IHbabI010051@hera.kernel.org>
2008-04-18 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-19 14:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-19 14:35     ` Oliver Pinter
2008-04-19 15:19       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-19 15:42         ` Oliver Pinter
2008-04-20  1:56         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20  7:42           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 16:59             ` Chris Wedgwood
     [not found]         ` <480AA2B9.10305__23983.3358479247$1208657639$gmane$org@sandeen.net>
2008-04-20 11:48           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-19 14:59     ` Shawn Bohrer
2008-04-19 18:00       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-19 18:33         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-19 19:10           ` Stefan Richter
2008-04-20  2:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20  6:11           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 22:53           ` David Chinner
2008-04-20  8:09       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20  8:06         ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20  8:51           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20  9:36             ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 10:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 11:02                 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 11:54                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 11:37                     ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 12:18                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 14:05                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 14:21                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 14:56                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 15:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 16:03                             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-21  3:30                               ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-04-23  8:57                                 ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-21  7:45                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-21  9:55                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 13:29                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-21 19:51                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-21 20:28                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  1:28                                 ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  2:33                                   ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:03                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params to xfs_flush_pages Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:14                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: use smaller int param in call " Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:18                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  4:10                                           ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  9:42                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 10:16                                           ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_iomap_write_allocate Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:20                                             ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free and xfs_btree_read_bufl Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:48                                               ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters for seven functions in xfs_trans.h Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:51                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:32                                                 ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs_dir2_leaf.h Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:40                                                   ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs/quota/* Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:46                                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag() Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 14:08                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 23:16                                                       ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 23:08                                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs/quota/* David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:47                                                 ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters for seven functions in xfs_trans.h David Chinner
2008-04-22 14:28                                               ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free and xfs_btree_read_bufl Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 16:17                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 17:21                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 17:26                                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 17:50                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 18:28                                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of?xfs_bmap_add_free " Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 19:32                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 23:53                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 20:46                                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free " Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 22:43                                               ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:33                                             ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_iomap_write_allocate David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:11                                           ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge David Chinner
2008-04-23  8:18                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-22 22:08                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: use smaller int param in call to xfs_flush_pages David Chinner
2008-04-22  3:15                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params " Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  8:57                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  9:56                                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-04-22 10:33                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 12:51                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 22:07                                       ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  3:09                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  3:35                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 22:02                                     ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 12:48                                   ` x86: 4kstacks default Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:01                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 13:51                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-27 19:27                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-27 23:02                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-27 23:08                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-28  0:00                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-20 12:37                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 12:27                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 12:32                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 12:47                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 13:06                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 13:30                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 13:34                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:04                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 17:56                         ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-20 13:21                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-23  9:13                       ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-23 23:29                         ` David Chinner
2008-04-24 15:46                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-28 18:38                       ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-20 13:27                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-20 13:38                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:19                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 16:41                           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 17:19                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 17:43                               ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 18:19                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 18:50                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 20:09                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 21:50                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-20 21:55                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 14:29                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-20 20:32                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 20:35                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 14:09                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 14:20                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:40                           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 15:44                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 17:26                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 18:48                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 20:01                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 20:43                           ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 21:40                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 22:17                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-04-20 23:48                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21  1:45                               ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-21  7:51                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 17:34                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 22:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 22:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 23:16                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21  5:53                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-21  3:06                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 21:45                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-20 21:51                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-22 18:20                     ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23  5:03                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-23  5:21                         ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-23  5:25                           ` david
2008-04-23  5:41                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-23  7:46                               ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23 11:24                                 ` Stefan Richter
2008-04-23 12:15                                   ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23 15:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-20 13:22                 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-19 17:49     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-25 17:39       ` Parag Warudkar
2008-04-20  3:29     ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 12:36       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 14:31       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-23  5:27     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-23 23:36       ` David Chinner
2008-04-24  0:45         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-24  9:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-24 12:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-24 15:41             ` Chris Mason
2008-04-24 18:30               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-04-24  0:56         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found] <ak6tq-32p-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <ak6tq-32p-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-19 10:56   ` Bodo Eggert
     [not found] ` <akFri-4yB-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <akGQg-7TX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <akKhi-91-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-20 20:23       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-20 20:59         ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-21 20:05           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-22 15:34             ` Daniel Hazelton

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