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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@enter.net>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: x86: 4kstacks default
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:51:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080421075102.GB14446@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200804202145.45146.dhazelton@enter.net>

> Never said it worked on a 32bit system. I was pointing out that there can be 
> workloads that do reach 

Ah your point was that people might do this on 64bit systems? 

They could indeed. It would not be very efficient but it should work
in theory at least with enough memory. Of course they don't need 4k
stacks for it. They can also try it on 32bit and it will work
to some extent too, just not scale very far.  And 4k stack more or less
won't make much difference for that because the stack is only
a small part of the lowmem needed for a blocked thread with
open sockets.

But this thread clearly was about 32bit systems only.

> that 50K thread-count that you seem to be 
> calling "stupid". 

Note I didn't come up with that number, it was quoted to me earlier
(but one of its authors has distanced itself from it now, so it 
seems to becoming more and more irrelevant indeed now) 

Stupid in this case just refers to the general observation that
it is quite inefficient to do one thread per request on servers
who are expected to process lots of long running connections.

Perhaps I could have put that better I will give you that. Please
assume I always meant "inefficient" when I wrote "stupid".

> talking about. If I had been running 4K stacks on that machine I probably 
> would have survived the mis-configuration without the reboot it took to make 

Now that is a very doubtful claim. You realize that a functional network
server thread needs a lot more lowmem than just the stack? 

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200804181737.m3IHbabI010051@hera.kernel.org>
2008-04-18 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-19 14:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-19 14:35     ` Oliver Pinter
2008-04-19 15:19       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-19 15:42         ` Oliver Pinter
2008-04-20  1:56         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20  7:42           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 16:59             ` Chris Wedgwood
     [not found]         ` <480AA2B9.10305__23983.3358479247$1208657639$gmane$org@sandeen.net>
2008-04-20 11:48           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-19 14:59     ` Shawn Bohrer
2008-04-19 18:00       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-19 18:33         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-19 19:10           ` Stefan Richter
2008-04-20  2:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20  6:11           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 22:53           ` David Chinner
2008-04-20  8:09       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20  8:06         ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20  8:51           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20  9:36             ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 10:44               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 11:02                 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 11:54                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 11:37                     ` Alan Cox
2008-04-20 12:18                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 14:05                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 14:21                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 14:56                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 15:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 16:03                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-21  3:30                               ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-04-23  8:57                                 ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-21  7:45                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-21  9:55                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 13:29                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-21 19:51                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-21 20:28                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  1:28                                 ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  2:33                                   ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:03                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params to xfs_flush_pages Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:14                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: use smaller int param in call " Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  3:18                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  4:10                                           ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  9:42                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 10:16                                           ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_iomap_write_allocate Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:20                                             ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free and xfs_btree_read_bufl Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:48                                               ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters for seven functions in xfs_trans.h Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 11:51                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:32                                                 ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs_dir2_leaf.h Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:40                                                   ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs/quota/* Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:46                                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag() Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 14:08                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 23:16                                                       ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 23:08                                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused params from functions in xfs/quota/* David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:47                                                 ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters for seven functions in xfs_trans.h David Chinner
2008-04-22 14:28                                               ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free and xfs_btree_read_bufl Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 16:17                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 17:21                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 17:26                                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 17:50                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 18:28                                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of?xfs_bmap_add_free " Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 19:32                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 23:53                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 20:46                                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters of xfs_bmap_add_free " Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 22:43                                               ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:33                                             ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_iomap_write_allocate David Chinner
2008-04-22 22:11                                           ` [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge David Chinner
2008-04-23  8:18                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-22 22:08                                         ` [PATCH] xfs: use smaller int param in call to xfs_flush_pages David Chinner
2008-04-22  3:15                                       ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params " Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  8:57                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22  9:56                                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-04-22 10:33                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 12:51                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 22:07                                       ` David Chinner
2008-04-22  3:09                                     ` [PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22  3:35                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-22 22:02                                     ` David Chinner
2008-04-22 12:48                                   ` x86: 4kstacks default Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-22 13:01                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-22 13:51                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-27 19:27                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-27 23:02                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-27 23:08                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-28  0:00                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-20 12:37                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 12:27                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 12:32                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 12:47                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 13:06                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 13:30                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-20 13:34                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:04                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 17:56                         ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-20 13:21                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-23  9:13                       ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-23 23:29                         ` David Chinner
2008-04-24 15:46                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-28 18:38                       ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-20 13:27                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-20 13:38                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:19                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 16:41                           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 17:19                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 17:43                               ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 18:19                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 18:50                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 20:09                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 21:50                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-20 21:55                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 14:29                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-20 20:32                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 20:35                                   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-20 14:09                       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 14:20                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-20 14:40                           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 15:44                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 17:26                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 18:48                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 20:01                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 20:43                           ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 21:40                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-20 22:17                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-04-20 23:48                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21  1:45                               ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-21  7:51                                 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-04-21 17:34                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-20 22:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 22:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 23:16                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21  5:53                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-21  3:06                             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 21:45                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-20 21:51                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-22 18:20                     ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23  5:03                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-04-23  5:21                         ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-23  5:25                           ` david
2008-04-23  5:41                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-23  7:46                               ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23 11:24                                 ` Stefan Richter
2008-04-23 12:15                                   ` Romano Giannetti
2008-04-23 15:59                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-04-20 13:22                 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-19 17:49     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-25 17:39       ` Parag Warudkar
2008-04-20  3:29     ` Eric Sandeen
2008-04-20 12:36       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-21 14:31       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-23  5:27     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-04-23 23:36       ` David Chinner
2008-04-24  0:45         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-24  9:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-24 12:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-24 15:41             ` Chris Mason
2008-04-24 18:30               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-04-24  0:56         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found] <ak6tq-32p-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <ak6tq-32p-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-19 10:56   ` Bodo Eggert
     [not found] ` <akFri-4yB-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <akGQg-7TX-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <akKhi-91-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-20 20:23       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-20 20:59         ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-04-21 20:05           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-04-22 15:34             ` Daniel Hazelton

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