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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, trivial@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] UTF-8 fixes in comments
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:27:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080429112718.GD19269@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080429110638.GG1473@1wt.eu>

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 01:06:38PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:16PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:09:34PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>...
> > > Unicode yes, UTF-8 no. UTF-8 is a compressed encoding of unicode.
> > > That's as silly as if you had to replace your terminals to read
> > > native gzip, and expect them as well as all the tools to work
> > > properly!
> > 
> > It's not a compressed encoding, it's a variable-length encoding.
> > 
> > Besides the size advantages one main advantage of UTF-8 is that ASCII is 
> > valid UTF-8. This means that for the ASCII source code in the kernel it 
> > doesn't matter whether it's treated as ASCII or UTF-8, and no conversion 
> > was needed.
> > 
> > You can't get this property with a fixed-size Unicode encoding.
> 
> I don't agree. If you refuse character-set mixing, there's no problem.
> Bit 7 of first char == 1 ? => full text is 32 bit.

You miss my point.

The point is:
A conversion "ASCII -> UTF-8" is a nop.

This means when changing the kernel from half a dozen charsets used in 
comments to UTF-8 we only had to change the few characters actually 
containing non UTF-8.

Going to something like UTF-32 as you suggest would have involved 
converting every single file in the kernel.

> Willy

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-29 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-28 15:40 Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 23:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29  1:29   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-29  5:06     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29  6:04       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-29  7:29       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-29  8:14         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29  9:06           ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-29  9:33             ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29 10:09             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29 10:10               ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29 10:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29 10:34                   ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29 22:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29 22:15                       ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29 23:05                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 20:18                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-01  9:46                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-04-29 19:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-29 10:42               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-29 11:06                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29 11:27                   ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-29 11:32                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-29 20:18                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30  9:15               ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-30 19:22                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 19:42                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-29  9:43           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-29 19:31           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-29 20:05             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29 20:09               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-09 12:48       ` David Kågedal
2008-04-29  9:01   ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29  9:19     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-04-29  9:34     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-29  9:41       ` Alan Cox
2008-04-29 12:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-04-30  0:08 Samuel Thibault
2008-04-30  3:38 ` Chris Adams
2008-04-30  9:38 ` Samuel Thibault
2008-04-30 19:45   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 19:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-03 23:50   ` Samuel Thibault
2008-05-04  8:55     ` Willy Tarreau

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