From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
jeremy@goop.org, hugh@veritas.com, mingo@elte.hu,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] workaround minor lockdep bug triggered by mm_take_all_locks
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:42:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080804144228.5f0c29c3@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080804213018.GD12464@duo.random>
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:30:18 +0200
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:14:48AM +0300, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > Sometimes it's hard to actually trigger a deadlock condition during
> > development, especially if you're not developing on a big iron
> > machine.
>
> My understand is that lockdep can't do static analysis of code, it's
> not a checker. It can only evaluate the locks in the order the cpu
> takes them. And if the CPU never takes them in the wrong order because
> only your unlikely to happen slow path takes them in the wrong order
yes lockdep will only complain WHEN you take them in the wrong order
But you claimed you would for sure be in a deadlock at that point which
is generally not correct.
> So now we learn lockdep also lead developers to think if their code
> doesn't generate lockdep errors it will be safe in production, so
> again more damage thanks to lockdep.
this comment totally puzzles me... rather than calling you naive...
where was this said or even implied????
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-04 21:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-04 13:03 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] lockdep Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] lockdep: Fix combinatorial explosion in lock subgraph traversal Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 8:34 ` David Miller
2008-08-05 8:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-13 3:48 ` Tim Pepper
2008-08-13 10:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] lockdep: lock_set_subclass - reset a held locks subclass Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 8:35 ` David Miller
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] lockdep: re-annotate scheduler runqueues Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 8:35 ` David Miller
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] lockdep: shrink held_lock structure Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 16:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-06 7:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] lockdep: map_acquire Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] lockdep: lock protection locks Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lockdep: spin_lock_nest_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:07 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 14:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:26 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:53 ` Dave Jones
2008-08-04 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 16:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 17:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 17:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 17:57 ` [PATCH] workaround minor lockdep bug triggered by mm_take_all_locks Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 18:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 18:56 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 19:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 20:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 20:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 21:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:14 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-08-04 21:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-04 22:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:42 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-08-04 22:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 23:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 0:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-04 21:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:57 ` David Miller
2008-08-05 2:00 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-05 2:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-05 12:02 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-05 12:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 18:48 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lockdep: spin_lock_nest_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 21:32 ` David Miller
2008-08-04 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-04 18:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 19:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-04 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-04 19:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 20:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 15:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-08 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-08 16:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 15:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-08 17:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-07 11:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 11:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/7] lockdep: annotate mm_take_all_locks() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 11:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/7] mm: fix mm_take_all_locks() locking order Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 12:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-08-07 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 13:27 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-08-07 21:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-08 1:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-08 7:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 10:08 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] lockdep Ingo Molnar
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