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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	hugh@veritas.com, mingo@elte.hu, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com,
	srostedt@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lockdep: spin_lock_nest_lock()
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:52:14 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810090252.15384.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081008152708.GA11207@goodmis.org>

On Thursday 09 October 2008 02:27, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:31:22PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> > > OK.  I don't actually need to do this, but I was asking for
> > > completeness.  But to clarify, you only need to do the reverse unlock
> > > if you do it after unlocking the outer lock?  If you're still holding
> > > the outer lock, you can unlock in any order?
> >
> > Release order should always be totally irrelevant, whether you hold outer
> > locks or not. Only the order of _getting_ locks matter.
>
> Technically, you are 100% correct.
>
> > And yes, if there is an outer lock, even the order of getting locks is
> > irrelevant, as long as anybody who gets more than one inner lock always
> > holds the outer one.
>
> But I need to disagree on a programming practice style.  Unlocking locks
> in a non nested order is just bad programming practice. Unless there is
> a good reason to do so, one should never release locks in a non reverse
> order they were taken.

An outer one might be more likely to be contended, so you might want
to release it asap.

Other times, you have lock A and lock B held (like scheduler rqs).
You can say unlock(A); unlock(B);
or if (A < B) unlock(B); unlock(A); if (A > B) unlock (B);


> This can be a source of bugs, where people might notice an outer lock
> being released and think the inner locks were too.
>
> Lately the kernel has been going through a lot of clean ups that have
> been making the kernel a much more maintainable beast. I feel we should
> enforce the rule of unlocking order (again, unless there is a good
> reason not to). Not for a technical reason, but just for a more
> maintainable one.

I don't really think it would make things more maintainable, FWIW.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-08 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-04 13:03 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] lockdep Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] lockdep: Fix combinatorial explosion in lock subgraph traversal Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05  8:34   ` David Miller
2008-08-05  8:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-13  3:48       ` Tim Pepper
2008-08-13 10:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] lockdep: lock_set_subclass - reset a held locks subclass Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05  8:35   ` David Miller
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] lockdep: re-annotate scheduler runqueues Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05  8:35   ` David Miller
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] lockdep: shrink held_lock structure Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 16:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-06  7:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] lockdep: map_acquire Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] lockdep: lock protection locks Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lockdep: spin_lock_nest_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:07   ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 14:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:26       ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 14:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 14:53           ` Dave Jones
2008-08-04 14:56             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 16:26               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 16:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 17:27                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 17:46                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 17:57                       ` [PATCH] workaround minor lockdep bug triggered by mm_take_all_locks Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 18:48                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 18:56                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-04 19:05                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 20:15                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 20:37                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 21:09                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:14                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-08-04 21:30                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:41                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-04 22:12                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:42                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-04 22:30                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 23:38                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05  0:47                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:27                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-04 21:54                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 21:57                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-05  2:00                                 ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-05  2:18                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-05 12:02                                     ` Roland Dreier
2008-08-05 12:20                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-04 18:48                     ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lockdep: spin_lock_nest_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 21:32                   ` David Miller
2008-08-04 18:06   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-04 18:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 19:26       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-04 19:31         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-04 19:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-04 20:16           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 15:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 15:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-08 16:03               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 16:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-08 16:53                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-08 15:52             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-10-08 17:18               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-07 11:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 11:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/7] lockdep: annotate mm_take_all_locks() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 11:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/7] mm: fix mm_take_all_locks() locking order Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 12:14   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-08-07 12:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 13:27       ` Hugh Dickins
2008-08-07 21:46   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-08  1:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-08-08  7:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 10:08 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] lockdep Ingo Molnar

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