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From: douglas.leeder@sophos.com
To: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net
Subject: Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model?  well sorta.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:25:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080818102643.C734D2FE865@pmx1.sophos.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48A94A55.2080309@aitel.hist.no>

Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no> wrote on 2008-08-18 11:09:25:


> Scanning on open should be a last resort. Scan in advance when you can.
> Of course, removable media cannot be scanned until it is inserted and 
> mounted,
> that is obvious. The scanning can start as soon as the filesystem is 
> mounted though,
> there is no reason to wait until users try to access something.
> 
> A CD inserted into a CD-server may not necessarily be needed 
immediately, so
> scanning in advance will help here too. The user inserting a CD in a 
home
> computer may start to use stuff right away, or perhaps he spends
> some time reading the docs before a complicated install. Sill room for 
some
> scanning in advance, which also may end up with the nice effect of 
> caching the CD.

It might be useful to scan in advance, on mount, or scanner start. But 
that
can be simulated using a user-space program, and kernel-based on-open 
blocking scans:
Just have a background program open the files, and they will be scanned 
and 
cached.
The background program could also do clever things like check if running 
on battery, check
load level, keep hot-lists of files to scan/scan first.

All of which can be implemented on top of the Talpa interface already 
specified.

In practice scan on-open with blocking is fast enough for general usage, 
even using our existing 
hacky kernel module approach.

-- 
Douglas Leeder

Sophos Plc, The Pentagon, Abingdon Science Park, Abingdon,
OX14 3YP, United Kingdom.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-18 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-13 16:36 Eric Paris
2008-08-13 16:24 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 16:47   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-13 16:37     ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 17:00       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-13 19:59         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 21:24           ` [malware-list] " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-13 21:13             ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 21:35             ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-13 21:23               ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15  3:25                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-15 20:16               ` Jan Harkes
2008-08-15 22:05                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-17 23:19                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-17 23:26                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-17 21:11                       ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-18 15:33                     ` Alan Cox
2008-08-18 16:43                       ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                         ` <20080819071416.GA14731@elf.ucw.cz>
2008-08-19 16:10                           ` HSM (was Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model? well sorta.) Rik van Riel
2008-08-19 19:20                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-19 20:33                               ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-20 17:03                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 17:07   ` TALPA - a threat model? well sorta Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-14 13:00   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-13 16:57 ` Greg KH
2008-08-13 17:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 18:15   ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-13 18:21     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-14  9:18       ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-13 19:02     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-13 19:29       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-13 21:15         ` [malware-list] " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14  9:30         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:03           ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14 12:27             ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-15 14:31               ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 13:24           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-14 13:48             ` Eric Paris
2008-08-14 15:50               ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-14 17:29                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-14 19:17                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-14 19:20                     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-14 19:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-14 19:41                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-14 20:20                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-14 21:21                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-14 23:34                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-19 21:43                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-15  1:44                         ` david
2008-08-15  2:04                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15  3:41                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-15  5:05                               ` david
2008-08-15  5:12                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-15  5:28                                   ` david
2008-08-15  5:36                                 ` david
2008-08-15  4:48                             ` david
2008-08-15  8:51                             ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15 14:37                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 18:57   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-13 21:39     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-14 14:12       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-14 15:57         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-15 10:07         ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-15 10:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-15 13:10             ` [malware-list] " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 13:18               ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 17:04                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 18:09                   ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-18 10:09                     ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-18 10:14                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-18 10:24                         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-18 10:25                       ` douglas.leeder [this message]
2008-08-15 16:25               ` david
2008-08-15 16:30                 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 17:33                   ` david
2008-08-15 17:40                     ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 17:47                       ` david
2008-08-15 18:06                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-15 20:05                           ` david
2008-08-15 20:17                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 18:17                         ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 20:08                           ` david
2008-08-18 10:02               ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-15 10:44           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14  9:46     ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 13:46       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-15  1:37       ` david
2008-08-15  1:31   ` david
2008-08-15 16:06   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-18 12:21     ` david
2008-08-18 13:30       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-19  0:03         ` david
2008-08-13 18:17 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-13 18:21   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13 18:24   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 18:40   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-14  0:18   ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-14 11:58     ` [malware-list] " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14 12:34       ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-14  0:14 ` 7v5w7go9ub0o
2008-08-14  2:25   ` 7v5w7go9ub0o

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