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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Alex Howells <alex@bytemark.co.uk>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Alexandre Oliva <oliva@lsd.ic.unicamp.br>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@kernel.org>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:11:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022101157.72ff575a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FEEB1E.1030809@bytemark.co.uk>

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:58:06 +0100
Alex Howells <alex@bytemark.co.uk> wrote:

> > And you win the trifecta - I don't think we've *ever* shipped a Linux kernel
> > that worked reliably under the proper "beat on the scheduler/VM corner case"
> > load/stress testing.  Again, the best you can hope for is "doesn't fall over

Upstream kernels can be a bit iffy especially on 32bit boxes with lots
of RAM. The enterprise vendor kernels have had months of tuning on high
load tests and behave far better than upstream. If you are running 32bit
and > 2GB of RAM I wouldn't even bother with upstream kernels to be
honest - pick one of the enterprise distributions or free repackagings
thereof. Better yet go 64bit ;)

At minimum with 2.6.x under high load you also need Arjan van de Ven's
patches to fix the ioprio mess - and god knows why those haven't been
accepted upstream given they make a huge difference to performance and
load handling.

http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/2/297

> > under non-pathological non-corner-case loads when sufficient resources are
> > available so the kernel has a fighting chance".  Doing 'make -j100' on a
> > single Core2 Duo is gonna be painful, no matter what.

Turn on strict overcommit and the box will degrade sanely and then if
need be start erroring things with out of memory before it goes kersplat.
That was a feature added a long time ago by Red Hat and then merged
upstream because serious business users of Linux need better guarantees
than the base kernel defaults.

If you have a non AMD processor without an IOMMU and are doing high
amounts of I/O make sure your I/O devices are 64bit capable - particular
watch SATA as most ATA hardware that isn't AHCI is 32bit constrained.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-16  0:25 Greg KH
2008-10-16  1:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-16  1:51   ` David Sanders
2008-10-16  2:18   ` Greg KH
2008-10-16  7:02 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2008-10-16  7:34   ` david
2008-10-18 21:44     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19  1:52       ` david
2008-10-19  2:44         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-16  8:21 ` el es
2008-10-16  9:09   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-16  9:33     ` el es
2008-10-16 10:05       ` el es
2008-10-16 10:14         ` Kristoffer Ericson
2008-10-16 17:30       ` david
2008-10-16  9:15 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-10-16 15:21   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-10-18 21:56   ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-16 12:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-16 15:17   ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 15:30     ` Bill Nottingham
2008-10-16 15:47       ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 17:16         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17  4:02           ` Greg KH
2008-10-17  4:26             ` Grant Coady
2008-10-17  4:53             ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-17  9:31             ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 16:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-17 17:42                 ` Greg KH
2008-10-18  7:18                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-18  7:38                     ` 2.6.28-rc1 --> 2.8.0-rc1; 2.6.27.y --> 2.6.28 [Re: [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change] Dominik Brodowski
2008-10-18  7:47                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2008-10-20  3:48                     ` [RFC] Kernel version numbering scheme change Alexandre Oliva
2008-10-20  5:29                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-20  7:13                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-10-20 18:55                       ` Alex Howells
2008-10-20 20:21                         ` Greg KH
2008-10-21 19:52                           ` Alex Howells
2008-10-22  0:41                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-22  4:15                               ` Grant Coady
2008-10-22  8:58                               ` Alex Howells
2008-10-22  9:11                                 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-10-22 18:11                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-21 18:54                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-17 17:41               ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:45                 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 21:42                   ` Greg KH
2008-10-16 16:46     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17  3:47       ` Greg KH
2008-10-17  6:47         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17  7:55           ` Greg KH
2008-10-17  8:16             ` Steven Noonan
2008-10-17 17:46               ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:06                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-10-17 21:44                   ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 19:47                 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-17 21:44                   ` Greg KH
2008-10-17 22:14                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-10-17 22:49                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-18  1:23                       ` david
2008-10-18 23:14                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-19  1:50                           ` david
2008-10-19 12:51                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-19 16:29                             ` david
2008-10-19 17:45                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-19 17:47                                 ` david
2008-10-19 17:57                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-18  8:45                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 23:17                       ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-19  3:35                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-20 20:30                       ` Greg KH
2008-10-20 20:54                         ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-20 21:06                           ` Greg KH
2008-10-20 21:58                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-10-20 22:24                             ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-21 19:11                               ` Stefan Richter
2008-10-21 19:16                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2008-10-18 22:33                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19 18:33                       ` Greg KH
2008-10-19 19:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-19 23:40                           ` david
2008-10-18 22:38                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-10-18  1:20               ` david
2008-10-18  8:32               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-17  8:56             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-17 10:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 11:18                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-10-17 11:26                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-17 11:32                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-10-17 15:30               ` Chris Friesen
2008-10-17 17:45               ` Greg KH
2008-10-18  9:01               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 10:04                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 11:08                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 11:50                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 12:28                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-18 13:48                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-10-18 14:13                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-16 14:26 ` markus reichelt
2008-10-16 15:35   ` Theodore Tso
2008-10-16 18:05     ` John Stoffel
2008-10-16 19:14     ` Harald Arnesen
2008-10-17  1:53     ` Dave Young
2008-10-17  9:05       ` Jike Song
2008-10-17  9:14         ` Dave Young
2008-10-20  3:49     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-10-16 15:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-10-17  1:26 ` Rob Landley
2008-10-17 12:46 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2008-10-17 17:40   ` Greg KH
2008-10-18  1:32   ` david
2008-10-16  2:10 H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-20  6:05 Denys Fedoryshchenko

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