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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	Linus@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Cgroup based OOM killer controller
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:44:38 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090127164238.D479.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901262325320.13157@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 
> > Confused.
> > 
> > As far as I know, people want the method of flexible cache treating.
> > but oom seems less flexible than userland notification.
> > 
> > Why do you think notification is bad?
> > 
> 
> There're a couple of proposals that have been discussed recently that 
> share some functional behavior.
> 
> One is the cgroup oom notifier that allows you to attach a task to wait on 
> an oom condition for a collection of tasks.  That allows userspace to 
> respond to the condition by droping caches, adding nodes to a cpuset, 
> elevating memory controller limits, sending a signal, etc.  It can also 
> defer to the kernel oom killer as a last resort.
> 
> The other is /dev/mem_notify that allows you to poll() on a device file 
> and be informed of low memory events.  This can include the cgroup oom 
> notifier behavior when a collection of tasks is completely out of memory, 
> but can also warn when such a condition may be imminent.  I suggested that 
> this be implemented as a client of cgroups so that different handlers can 
> be responsible for different aggregates of tasks.
>
> I think the latter is a much more powerful tool and includes all the 
> behavior of the former.  It preserves the oom killer as a last resort for 
> the kernel and defers all preference killing or lowmem responses to 
> userspace.

Yup, indeed. :)
honestly, I talked about the same thingk recently "lowmemory android driver not needed?" thread.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-27  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-21 11:08 Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-21 13:17 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-21 15:24   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-21 20:49     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  2:53       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  5:12         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:12       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  8:43         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  9:23           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  9:39             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:10               ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22 10:18                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  9:50           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 10:00             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:14               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 10:27                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 13:21                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 20:28                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 21:06                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 21:35                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 22:04                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 22:28                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 22:53                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 23:25                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 23:55                     ` Paul Menage
2009-01-23  9:45                   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-23 10:33                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-23 14:56                       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-23 20:44                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 10:20                           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 10:53                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 11:08                               ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 11:21                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 11:37                                   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 20:29                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-28  1:00                         ` Paul Menage
2009-01-29 15:48                           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  3:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  5:13   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:27     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  6:11       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:39     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-22  6:12       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  6:29         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-22  6:42           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-26 19:54 ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-26 19:56   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-27  7:02     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-27  7:26       ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-27  7:39       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27  7:44         ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2009-01-27  7:51           ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27  9:31             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27  9:37               ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 13:40                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 20:37                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 21:51                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 10:40               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-27 13:45                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 15:40                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-27 21:54                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 20:41                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 21:55                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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