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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: "Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"pm list" <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Nigel Cunningham" <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
	"Matthew Garrett" <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	"mark gross" <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
	"Woodruff, Richard" <r-woodruff2@ti.com>,
	"Uli Luckas" <u.luckas@road.de>,
	"Igor Stoppa" <igor.stoppa@nokia.com>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:40:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090216074048.6d70f17c@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200902160806.17901.oliver@neukum.org>

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:06:13 +0100
Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org> wrote:

> Am Monday 16 February 2009 03:20:12 schrieb Arjan van de Ven:
> > >or
> > > network or similar where the driver cannot shut the device down
> > > without losing the ability to detect activity (ie, switch your PHY
> > > off is nice but you lose the ability to monitor the link for
> > > example).
> > 
> > what this needs is a separation between "interface down, all off"
> > and "interface down enough so that link detection works".
> > Some NICs can go all the way down and still do link detection,
> > others cannot. This is obviously something the driver will know,
> > nothing else in the system should know.
> 
> Why shouldn't user space know the consequences of still requesting
> a service and be able to decide on that basis which services to
> request?

That's not what I said. Userspace should not be the part that goes "oh
this is a realtek not an intel nic, so ..."
That is the drivers job.

Userspace should just be the part that says "I'm interested in link
notifications". The driver then just goes to the lowest power state for
its device that still gives those notifications.


-- 
Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
For development, discussion and tips for power savings, 
visit http://www.lesswatts.org

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-16 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-15 23:10 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16  0:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16  2:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16  2:20     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16  3:23       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16  3:30         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:05         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16  7:06       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 15:40         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2009-02-16 16:48           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 17:31             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:08               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-16 20:28                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:39                 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 20:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 21:32                     ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 21:52                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:36                         ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 22:59                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:19                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:23                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 10:12                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 13:58                                 ` Mark Brown
2009-02-17 14:20                                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:24                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:56                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 14:46                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 14:51                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:56                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 15:32                                         ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18  0:04                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18  0:18                                             ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18  5:35                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18  0:52                                             ` mark gross
2009-02-18  5:11                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18  5:55                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 15:15                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 15:20                                           ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-17 14:58                                       ` Igor Stoppa
2009-02-17 15:28                                     ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-18  0:55                                       ` mark gross
2009-02-18  2:40                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 17:48                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-18 17:52                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 18:01                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-18 22:05                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-01 22:51                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:00                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18  0:45                                 ` mark gross
2009-02-20  5:35                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 15:27                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-20 18:22                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-20 18:26                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-20 20:49                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 22:43                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-16 23:41                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:08                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17  3:09                             ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 23:21                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18  4:46                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 21:17                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 22:35                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 22:44                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 23:04                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 23:31                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 12:56                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 14:59                                             ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 21:15                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 21:56                                                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-19 22:08                                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 22:21                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:58                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 10:46                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 22:05                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 22:44                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:11                                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:20                                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-21  1:59                                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20  2:39                                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 10:49                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 11:26                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 15:56                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 16:07                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-20 20:56                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 21:02                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:03                                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:57                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21  1:08                                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21  9:47                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 10:32                                                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21 20:20                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-23 23:13                                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-23 23:53                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-24  0:02                                                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 10:12                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:09                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:22                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 14:29                                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-27 20:54                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 22:09                                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 22:55                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 20:40                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 20:55                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 22:56                                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 23:44                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28  3:04                                                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 10:18                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-28 21:57                                                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 22:53                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-28 23:38                                                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01 23:17                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-02 23:48                                                                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 22:39                                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-03 23:38                                                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04  0:49                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01  0:06                                                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01  6:28                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-01  9:11                                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01  9:20                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-03  1:22                                                                                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 13:51                                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04  0:06                                                                                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04  0:47                                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 23:08                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 13:57                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 23:51                                                                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:12                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 23:40                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:45                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-21  9:52                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 16:52                                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-02-21 21:14                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 10:16                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:46                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-27 20:58                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-22 14:03                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-23 14:04                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-27 10:18                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 15:22                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-03-05 16:54                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 17:09                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-02-27 20:46                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 13:48                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 22:56                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02  8:24                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-03-02 14:34                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 15:13                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:20               ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 18:05                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16  6:23   ` Roland Dreier
2009-02-16 15:38     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:47     ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16  7:02   ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 21:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 21:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:53     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:40         ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 22:56           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17  2:43             ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17  2:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17  3:26                 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 23:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17  2:56             ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 23:26               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18  8:53                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 14:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 15:05                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:10                       ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 15:55                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 16:39                           ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 17:10                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:09                     ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 22:51     ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 22:55       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:00       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:18         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:29       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:13   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:22     ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:26       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:14         ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:19           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 21:57     ` mark gross
2009-02-17 22:04       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 22:19         ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-17 23:28           ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18  0:34           ` mark gross
2009-02-18 17:30       ` Chris Ball
2009-02-16 23:26   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-22 13:46     ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18  0:27 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 21:11   ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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