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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux USB Mailing List <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Embedded Mailing List <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Wait for console to become available, v3.2
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:43:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090421064346.GB8020@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090420234006.GA1958@cuplxvomd02.corp.sa.net>


* David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com> wrote:

> Parallelization to improve boot times has been successful enough 
> that race conditions now exist between the init_post() open of 
> /dev/console and initialization of the console device. When this 
> occurs, opening /dev/console fails and any applications inherited 
> from init have no standard in/out/error devices. This is expected 
> behavior if no console device is available, but quite unfortunate 
> in the case where the console is just a bit slow waking up.
> 
> Some buses, such as USB, offer no guarantees about how long it 
> takes to discover devices, so there is no reliable way to 
> distinguish between a missing console and a slow one.  The 
> pragmatic approach taken in this patch is to wait for a while to 
> see if a console shows up, and just go on if it doesn't. The 
> default delay is 1000 msec (1 second). This value is conjured out 
> of thing air; any suggestions for a value that more closely 
> approximates the effective delays from the olden days before USB 
> consoles starting failing are more than welcome.

hm, this really seems like a bad hack and a workaround to me and as 
such it is not really an acceptable solution.

The proper approach would be to use one of the async_synchronize*() 
facilities in kernel/async.c to properly order the opening of the 
console with device init.

Certain subsystems like storage (SCSI, libata, mount code and 
modules) has already been extended to this scheme.

So i think the right approach, if you want to speed up bootup, would 
be to extend the same concepts to console discovery, init and open 
methods.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-20 23:40 David VomLehn
2009-04-21  6:43 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-21  7:13   ` David Brownell
2009-04-21  8:03     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 17:11     ` David Woodhouse
2009-04-21 17:29       ` David VomLehn
2009-04-21 17:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 17:59           ` David VomLehn
2009-04-21 17:41         ` David Woodhouse
2009-04-21 17:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 19:25         ` Alan Cox
2009-04-21 23:17           ` David VomLehn
2009-04-22  8:25         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-22  9:11           ` Alan Cox
2009-04-22 10:39             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-21 13:35   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-21 13:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 14:05       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-21 14:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 14:37           ` Alan Cox
2009-04-22  8:22             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-22  9:13               ` Alan Cox
2009-04-21 16:42           ` David VomLehn
2009-04-21 14:36         ` Alan Stern
2009-04-21 16:52           ` David VomLehn
2009-04-21 19:09             ` Alan Stern
2009-04-21 23:08               ` David VomLehn
2009-04-22 15:40                 ` Alan Stern
2009-04-22 20:54                   ` David VomLehn
2009-04-22 21:08                     ` Alan Cox
2009-04-22 21:24                       ` Alan Stern
2009-04-24  0:35                         ` David VomLehn
2009-04-24 19:20                           ` Alan Stern
2009-04-24 21:32                             ` David VomLehn
2009-04-24 22:19                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-24 23:10                                 ` David VomLehn
2009-04-25  1:41                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-25  3:11                                     ` Alan Stern
2009-04-26 19:52                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-26 21:20                                         ` Alan Stern
2009-04-26 21:37                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-26 22:36                                             ` Kay Sievers
2009-04-26 23:12                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-26 23:23                                                 ` Kay Sievers
2009-04-26 23:46                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-26 17:55                                     ` David VomLehn
2009-04-22  5:35               ` David VomLehn

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