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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net, kdb@oss.sgi.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] RFC ONLY - kdb: core for kgdb back end
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 06:09:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090509040942.GB8007@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1241817800-9320-2-git-send-email-jason.wessel@windriver.com>


* Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com> wrote:

> This is an RFC patch.  This work is by no means in its final form, 
> nor is it in a form that would be suitible for upstream merging.  
> This is an early prototype of a kdb frontend talking to a kgdb 
> backend.  It is meant to foster some discussion around the 
> usefulness of merging kdb and kgdb together, as well as experiment 
> with changes to kgdb's core to improve robustness and 
> functionality.
> 
> This patch contains the kdb core and some instrumentation into the 
> core kernel which kdb requires in order to gather information for 
> some of its reporting functions.

Just a first quick 30-seconds impression from skimming through the 
patch:

 - The cleanups are an absolute must before doing any in-depth 
   review. We only want to waste valuable review bandwidth on code 
   that at least _looks_ nice and tidy.

 - Many functions are way too large, with many indentation levels - 
   they need a split-up.

 - Most of the code patterns dont match core kernel standards and 
   practices, so it's not reviewable in detail. It needs a 
   thorough clean-up not just on the surface, but on the algorithmic 
   level as well.

bits like:

> +		// HACK HACK HACK
> +		printk(KERN_CRIT "DOH NEED TO IMPLEMENT THIS!");

need fixed.

Locking needs reviewed and fixed:

> +/* Locking is awkward.  The debug code is called from all contexts, including
> + * non maskable interrupts.  A normal spinlock is not safe in NMI context.  Try
> + * to get the debug allocator lock, if it cannot be obtained after a second
> + * then give up.  If the lock could not be previously obtained on this cpu then
> + * only try once.
> + *
> + * sparse has no annotation for "this function _sometimes_ acquires a lock", so
> + * fudge the acquire/release notation.
> + */

Plus, if _any_ debugger front-end is considered for merging, it 
_must_ work with Kernel Mode Setting properly, out of X. No ifs
and when.

Also, high-level file organization: i'd suggest to move it all under 
the kernel/debug/ hierarchy, and move kernel/kgdb.c to 
kernel/debug/backend/core.c or so [possibly split up a bit, it's 
getting quite large] and the KDB bits under kernel/debug/frontend/. 
We dont want multiple back-ends nor multiple front-ends. We want one 
good back-end and one good (built-in) front-end.

I supported and helped a debugging backend and i dont consider a 
front-end completely impossible either. But it will have to meet a 
_lot_ of stringent standards because a good kernel debugging 
front-end's cross section to the system is even larger than a 
backend's. It's a tough job to get this done.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-09  4:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-08 21:23 [PATCH 0/13] RFC ONLY - kdb for kgdb Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23 ` [PATCH 01/13] RFC ONLY - kdb: core for kgdb back end Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23   ` [PATCH 02/13] RFC ONLY - kgdb: core changes to support kdb Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23     ` [PATCH 03/13] RFC ONLY - kgdb,8250,pl011: Return immediately from console poll Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23       ` [PATCH 04/13] RFC ONLY - kgdb: gdb "monitor" -> kdb passthrough Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23         ` [PATCH 05/13] RFC ONLY - kgdboc,keyboard: Keyboard driver for kdb with kgdb Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23           ` [PATCH 06/13] kgdb: remove post_primary_code references Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23             ` [PATCH 07/13] RFC ONLY - x86,kgdb: Add low level debug hook Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23               ` [PATCH 08/13] RFC ONLY - arm,kgdb: Add hook to catch an oops with debugger Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23                 ` [PATCH 09/13] RFC ONLY - powerpc,kgdb: Introduce low level trap catching Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23                   ` [PATCH 10/13] RFC ONLY - mips,kgdb: kdb low level trap catch and stack trace Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23                     ` [PATCH 11/13] kgdb: Add the ability to schedule a breakpoint via a tasklet Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23                       ` [PATCH 12/13] RFC ONLY - kgdb,kdb: use async breakpoint for sysrq for usb Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:23                         ` [PATCH 13/13] RFC ONLY - usb,keyboard: uchi, echi, and ochi polling keyboard urbs Jason Wessel
2009-05-09  4:09   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-05-19 18:22     ` [PATCH 01/13] RFC ONLY - kdb: core for kgdb back end Jason Wessel
2009-05-08 21:49 ` [PATCH 0/13] RFC ONLY - kdb for kgdb Maxim Levitsky
2009-05-11  9:15 ` Louis Rilling
2009-05-11  9:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11  9:51     ` Louis Rilling
2009-05-11  9:22 ` [kdb] " Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 12:57   ` Martin Hicks

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