From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
htejun@gmail.com, bzolnier@gmail.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] libata: use lazy workqueues for the pio task
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:16:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090824181600.GR12579@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A92C500.4030109@garzik.org>
On Mon, Aug 24 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On 08/24/2009 12:42 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 24 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>> No objections to the code, operationally...
>>>
>>> But it is disappointing that the "1 thread on UP" problem is not solved
>>> while changing this libata area. Is there no way to specify a minimum
>>> lazy-thread count?
>>>
>>> A key problem continues to be tying to the number of CPUs, which is
>>> quite inappropriate for libata.
>>
>> We'll solve that next, the first problem is reducing the per-cpu
>> threads. Lots of places use per-cpu workqueues because that is what is
>> available, not necessarily because it's an appropriate choice. Like the
>> ata_wq above, it's not even a good fit.
>
> Agreed + sounds great.
>
> Thanks -- both for hacking libata for this, and more generally, for
> attacking the too-many-kthreads problem! :) It's just sad how many
> unused workqueue threads hang about, on every modern Linux box.
It is, it's one of those problems that's gotten totally out of hand. A
handful of wasted threads is easily ignored, but once you are safely
into the three digits it's just too much.
I took a quick look at converting libata to slow-work, and it's an easy
fit (and would solve the UP problem too). The remaining piece is a
slow_work_enqueue_delayed(), since we do use pio task queue with a small
delay from one path.
So I hope that we can get by with slow-work with a few tweaks here and
there, and just retain workqueues for the true performance (or
persistent) case. The lazy workqueues is still a nice addition I think,
since they don't hang around forever when things go idle.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-24 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-24 7:56 [PATCH 0/7] Lazy workqueues v2 Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 1/7] workqueue: replace singlethread/freezable/rt parameters and variables with flags Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 2/7] workqueue: add support for lazy workqueues Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 3/7] crypto: use " Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 4/7] libata: use lazy workqueues for the pio task Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 16:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-08-24 16:42 ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 16:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-08-24 18:16 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-08-24 16:45 ` John Stoffel
2009-08-24 16:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 5/7] aio: use lazy workqueues Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 6/7] sunrpc: " Jens Axboe
2009-08-24 7:56 ` [PATCH 7/7] bio: convert integrity to " Jens Axboe
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