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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:58:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090830165834.GC7129@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A984758.5020008@redhat.com>

Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> On 08/28/2009 09:44 AM, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >(Oh, and Ulrich: Why is there a "#define O_RSYNC O_SYNC" in the Glibc
> >headers?  That doesn't make sense: O_RSYNC has nothing to do with
> >writing.)
> 
> O_SYNC is a superset of O_RSYNC.  In the absence of a true O_RSYNC 
> that's the next best thing.

That's an error - O_SYNC is not a superset of O_RSYNC.

O_SYNC (by itself) only affects writes.

O_RSYNC only affect reads.

In the absence of O_RSYNC support in the kernel, it's better to not
define O_RSYNC at all in userspace.  That tells applications they can
call fsync/fdatasync themselves before reading to get an equivalent
effect.

In fact O_RSYNC, when implemented correctly, can be used by
applications to get the effect of range-fsync/fdatasync when such
system calls aren't available (by reading a range), but not as
efficiently of course.  Defining O_RSYNC as O_SYNC fails to do that.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-30 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-19 16:04 [PATCH 0/17] Make O_SYNC handling use standard syncing path Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 01/17] vfs: Introduce filemap_fdatawait_range Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 02/17] vfs: Export __generic_file_aio_write() and add some comments Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:04     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 20:22   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 12:31     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:30       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-20 13:52         ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 13:58           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 03/17] vfs: Remove syncing from generic_file_direct_write() and generic_file_buffered_write() Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 13:31     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 04/17] pohmelfs: Use __generic_file_aio_write instead of generic_file_aio_write_nolock Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 05/17] ocfs2: " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 06/17] vfs: Remove sync_page_range_nolock Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 07/17] vfs: Introduce new helpers for syncing after writing to O_SYNC file or IS_SYNC inode Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:15     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-20 16:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:23         ` Jan Kara
2009-08-21 15:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:48             ` Jan Kara
2009-08-26 18:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27  0:04           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 08/17] ext2: Update comment about generic_osync_inode Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 09/17] ext3: Remove syncing logic from ext3_file_write Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 10/17] ext4: Remove syncing logic from ext4_file_write Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 11/17] fat: Opencode sync_page_range_nolock() Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 12/17] ntfs: Use new syncing helpers and update comments Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 13/17] ocfs2: Update syncing after splicing to match generic version Jan Kara
2009-08-21  1:36   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker
2009-08-21 14:30     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 14/17] xfs: Use new syncing helper Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-20 12:22     ` Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 15/17] pohmelfs: " Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 16/17] nfs: Remove reference to generic_osync_inode from a comment Jan Kara
2009-08-19 16:04 ` [PATCH 17/17] vfs: Remove generic_osync_inode() and sync_page_range() Jan Kara
     [not found] ` <20090820221221.GA14440@infradead.org>
     [not found]   ` <20090821114010.GG12579@kernel.dk>
     [not found]     ` <20090821135403.GA6208@shareable.org>
     [not found]       ` <20090821142635.GB30617@infradead.org>
     [not found]         ` <20090821152459.GC6929@shareable.org>
     [not found]           ` <20090821174525.GA28861@infradead.org>
     [not found]             ` <20090822005006.GA22530@shareable.org>
     [not found]               ` <20090824023422.GA775@infradead.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20090827143459.GB31453@shareable.org>
2009-08-27 17:10                   ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was Re: O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 15:46                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  0:59                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58                             ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-08-30 17:48                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig

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