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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartmann <greg@kroah.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove broken by design and by implementation devtmpfs maintenance disaster
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:13:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090917141303.428fe73c@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510909170503n1da43ea0u7c900f2f6f647fdc@mail.gmail.com>

> >  * A static dev is faster.
> 
> A static /dev is unreliable and unpredictable, and can not be used in
> any not very limited and controlled environment. It's pure theory for

Moblin appears to be the fastest boot and doesn't use it. I fact Arjan
seems pretty anti

> Eric, ever wondered why all the people working in hotplug area,
> maintaining todays systems, and even the ones who wrote udev, want
> this? And only people who have never written any code in hotplug land

"All". Thats a bit of a fiction.


But this is the wrong argument anyway

The question is
- Is it technically correct
- Does it properly interact with the rest of the kernel and upcoming stuff

So I'd like to see the fs folks sign off on it - which they've noticably
not done yet.

Whether you want devfs2 (ie devtmpfs) or static dev or udev is a
configuration and user dependant question no different to what fs do you
prefer. Whether it actually works and doesn't screw stuff up is a rather
more important technical question that needs proper review from the fs
list, which is notably lacking right now, except in the negative.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-17 13:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-17  8:23 Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-17 12:03 ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-17 13:13   ` Alan Cox [this message]
2009-09-17 16:35     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-09-17 17:47       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-17 18:59         ` Scott James Remnant
2009-09-17 19:11           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-18 12:57           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 13:16   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 13:54   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 14:09     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-18 14:11       ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 14:25         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-18 14:32           ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 14:43             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-18 14:58               ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 15:13                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-18 15:32                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 19:33                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 14:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-17 12:57 ` Greg KH
2009-09-17 13:05   ` Alan Cox
2009-09-17 13:29     ` Greg KH
2009-09-17 15:43       ` Alan Cox
2009-09-18  6:03         ` Greg KH
2009-09-18  9:25           ` Alan Cox
2009-09-18 15:05             ` Greg KH
2009-09-17 17:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-17 18:53     ` [bug] /etc/profile: line 30: /dev/null: Permission denied (Was: Re: [PATCH] Remove broken by design and by implementation devtmpfs maintenance disaster) Ingo Molnar
2009-09-17 19:18       ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-17 20:26         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-17 20:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18  5:58             ` Greg KH
2009-09-25 20:49               ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-27 22:52                 ` Greg KH
2009-09-17 22:26           ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-17 22:41             ` Alan Cox
2009-09-18  0:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18  1:50               ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18  6:02                 ` Greg KH
2009-09-18 11:50                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 14:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 15:05                     ` Greg KH
2009-09-18 15:37                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 19:35                         ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 19:41                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 19:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-20  1:43                             ` Dave Airlie
2009-09-20 15:08                               ` Greg KH
2009-09-21  2:58                                 ` Dave Airlie
     [not found]                                 ` <ac3eb2510909200912o76e0d4e4l2dcaf352fe6b4e19@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <ac3eb2510909200914g1ed6a47cydc0edec6fff96ef4@mail.gmail.com>
2009-09-21  2:59                                     ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-20 20:32                                       ` Scott James Remnant
2009-09-20 17:33                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18 20:58                 ` [bug] /etc/profile: line 30: /dev/null: Permission denied Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 21:09                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 21:19                     ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 22:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 21:31                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-09-18 22:03                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18  5:54     ` [PATCH] Remove broken by design and by implementation devtmpfs maintenance disaster Greg KH
2009-09-18 12:24       ` Eric W. Biederman

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