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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"david@fromorbit.com" <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:35:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091001213523.GA21982@duck.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091001145443.GA9469@localhost>

On Thu 01-10-09 22:54:43, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > >   You probably didn't understand my comment in the previous email. This is
> > > > too late to wakeup all the tasks. There are two limits - background_limit
> > > > (set to 5%) and dirty_limit (set to 10%). When amount of dirty data is
> > > > above background_limit, we start the writeback but we don't throttle tasks
> > > > yet. We start throttling tasks only when amount of dirty data on the bdi
> > > > exceeds the part of the dirty limit belonging to the bdi. In case of a
> > > > single bdi, this means we start throttling threads only when 10% of memory
> > > > is dirty. To keep this behavior, we have to wakeup waiting threads as soon
> > > > as their BDI gets below the dirty limit or when global number of dirty
> > > > pages gets below (background_limit + dirty_limit) / 2.
> > > 
> > > Sure, but the design goal is to wakeup the throttled tasks in the
> > > __bdi_writeout_inc() path instead of here. As long as some (background)
> > > writeback is running, __bdi_writeout_inc() will be called to wakeup
> > > the tasks.  This "unthrottle all on exit of background writeback" is
> > > merely a safeguard, since once background writeback (which could be
> > > queued by the throttled task itself, in bdi_writeback_wait) exits, the
> > > calls to __bdi_writeout_inc() is likely to stop.
> >   The thing is: In the old code, tasks returned from balance_dirty_pages()
> > as soon as we got below dirty_limit, regardless of how much they managed to
> > write. So we want to wake them up from waiting as soon as we get below the
> > dirty limit (maybe a bit later so that they don't immediately block again
> > but I hope you get the point).
> 
> Ah good catch!  However overhitting the threshold by 1MB (maybe more with
> concurrent dirtiers) should not be a problem. As you said, that avoids the
> task being immediately blocked again.
> 
> The old code does the dirty_limit check in an opportunistic manner. There were
> no guarantee. 2.6.32 further weakens it with the removal of congestion back off.
  Sure, there are no guarantees but if we let threads sleep in
balance_dirty_pages longer than necessary it will have a performance impact
(application will sleep instead of doing useful work). So we should better
make sure applications sleep as few as necessary in balance_dirty_pages.

> @@ -756,8 +811,11 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
>  		 * For background writeout, stop when we are below the
>  		 * background dirty threshold
>  		 */
> -		if (args->for_background && !over_bground_thresh())
> +		if (args->for_background && !over_bground_thresh()) {
> +			while (bdi_writeback_wakeup(wb->bdi))
> +				;  /* unthrottle all tasks */
>  			break;
> +		}
  Thus the check here should rather be
if (args->for_background && !over_dirty_limit())

									Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-01 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-08  9:23 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v19 Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 1/8] writeback: get rid of generic_sync_sb_inodes() export Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:27   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 10:41     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:52       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 10:57         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 11:01           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 11:05             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 11:31               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 2/8] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 3/8] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 13:46   ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-08 14:21     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 4/8] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 5/8] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 6/8] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:23 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 10:37   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-08 16:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 16:29       ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 16:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 17:28           ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 17:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 17:55               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 18:32                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09 14:23                   ` Jan Kara
2009-09-09 14:37                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-10 15:49                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-14 11:17                       ` Jan Kara
2009-09-24  8:33                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-24 15:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-25  1:33                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-29 17:35                           ` Jan Kara
2009-09-30  1:24                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-30 11:55                               ` Jan Kara
2009-09-30 12:10                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 15:17                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 13:36                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 14:22                                   ` Jan Kara
2009-10-01 14:54                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-01 21:35                                       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2009-10-02  2:25                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-10-02  9:54                                           ` Jan Kara
2009-10-02 10:34                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-08 18:35                 ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 17:57               ` Chris Mason
2009-09-08 18:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  1:53           ` Dave Chinner
2009-09-09  3:52             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-08 18:06         ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-08 18:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-08 19:34             ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-09  9:29         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-09 12:28           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:32             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-09 12:36               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-09-09 12:37               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:44                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-09 12:57                 ` Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-04  7:46 [PATCH 0/8] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v18 Jens Axboe
2009-09-04  7:46 ` [PATCH 8/8] vm: Add an tuning knob for vm.max_writeback_mb Jens Axboe
2009-09-04 15:28   ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-05 13:26     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-05 16:18       ` Richard Kennedy
2009-09-05 16:46     ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-07 19:09   ` Jan Kara

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