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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	efault@gmx.de, avi@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org, acme@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHSET] sched,perf: unify tracers in sched and move perf on top of TP
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:28:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100506062855.GD1172@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100505183000.GF6320@nowhere>


* Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:16:36PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:15 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, I'd much rather just see a direct call in the code than having to
> > > reverse engineer wth hangs onto that _EVENT() junk.
> > 
> > And again, I oppose mandating CONFIG_TRACEEVENT.
> 
> 
> And me too. But you don't need CONFIG_EVENT_TRACING for that. TRACE_EVENT() 
> with !CONFIG_EVENT_TRACING only produces tracepoints if CONFIG_TRACEPOINTS.
> 
> In fact, a first progress that would handle these compromizes would be to 
> have CONFIG_PERF_EVENT_SW.
> 
> For now perf_event_task_sched_in and perf_event_task_sched_out can stay as 
> is because they are perf core utils.
> 
> But all the rest (faults, migrations, etc..) could be tracepoints builtin 
> only if CONFIG_PERF_EVENT_SW. Which means CONFIG_PERF_EVENT_SW depends on 
> CONFIG_TRACEPOINTS.
> 
> But nobody is forced to build CONFIG_PERF_EVENT_SW, breakpoints don't need 
> it.

Yep. Also, most of the default distro kernels will have 3 sets of facilities:

 - preempt notifiers
 - tracepoints
 - sw events

which is crazy. We can just standardize on using the tracepoint interface 
definition methods - they are properly typed, widespread and well-known enough 
to be perfect for this.

( They are also under intense optimization - the jump-tracepoints patch makes 
  them probably even cheaper than preempt notifiers, in the off case. )

So lets get over this and consolidate our crazy hookery, and stand behind a 
single facility.

I'm also all for slimming down the trace events facilities by not requiring 
the /debug/tracing/ bits to be present.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-06  6:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-04 12:38 Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 01/12] sched: drop @cpu argument from sched_in preempt notifier Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 02/12] sched: rename preempt_notifiers to sched_notifiers and refactor implementation Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 03/12] perf: add perf_event_task_migrate() Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  5:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-05  5:16     ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:37       ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:56           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 04/12] perf: add @rq to perf_event_task_sched_out() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 17:22     ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 18:22       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-04 18:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 18:32           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-05  4:48             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:58             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-07 18:41           ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Remove rq argument to the tracepoints tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 05/12] perf: move perf_event_task_sched_in() next to fire_sched_notifiers_in() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 06/12] sched: relocate fire_sched_notifiers_out() and trace_sched_switch() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 07/12] sched: coalesce event notifiers Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 08/12] sched: add switch_in and tick tracepoints Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 09/12] perf: factor out perf_event_switch_clones() Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 10/12] perf: make nr_events an int and add perf_online_mutex to protect it Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 11/12] perf: prepare to move sched perf functions on top of tracepoints Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 12:38 ` [PATCH 12/12] perf: " Tejun Heo
2010-05-04 17:29 ` [RFC PATCHSET] sched,perf: unify tracers in sched and move perf on top of TP Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  5:00   ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:32       ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05  9:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05  9:54           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 11:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 12:28               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 16:55                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-05 18:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 18:16                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 18:30                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-06  6:28                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-05-06  7:11                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  8:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  8:41                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  8:18                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-06  6:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  7:04                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-06  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-06  7:29                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06  7:33                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-05 12:33               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-05 13:09                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-10  5:20             ` Paul Mackerras
2010-05-10  5:48               ` Tejun Heo

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