From: Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net>
To: Rafi Rubin <rafi@seas.upenn.edu>
Cc: Ping Cheng <pinglinux@gmail.com>,
Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>,
Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Mika Kuoppala <mika.kuoppala@nokia.com>,
Benjamin Tissoires <tissoire@cena.fr>,
Stephane Chatty <chatty@enac.fr>,
Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] input: mt: Document the MT event slot protocol (rev2)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:21:05 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100520002105.GB28116@barra.bne.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BF4756C.8030204@seas.upenn.edu>
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 07:34:04PM -0400, Rafi Rubin wrote:
> My understanding is that it would be more like
> + SYN_MT_SLOT 0
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_X x
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y
> + SYN_REPORT
> + SYN_MT_SLOT 0
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_X x
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y
> + SYN_REPORT
> + SYN_MT_SLOT 0
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_X x
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y
> + SYN_MT_SLOT 1
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_X x
> + ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y
> + SYN_REPORT
>
>
> (2 events from 1 finger, followed by 1 event with both).
where does the ABS_MT_BLOB_ID come in then? I thought this was the use-case
it was added for. With the example above, you're updating the position for
the finger three times, not specifying that there are 3 _simultaneous_ but
disparate touches of the same finger.
I'm thinking of a palm touch which may (for some hand shapes) gives you two
blobs right next to each other but separated by a thin line.
So palm + finger gives you three blobs in three slots, two of them linked by
contact ID?
Cheers,
Peter
> On 05/19/2010 06:43 PM, Ping Cheng wrote:
> >Hi Henrik,
> >
> >I am trying to link the protocol to the actual multi-touch devices in
> >my "mind". Hope it helps you to point out the mismatch between my
> >imagination and the protocol. Please see details in line.
> >
> >Ping
> >
> >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Henrik Rydberg<rydberg@euromail.se> wrote:
> >>This patch adds documentation for the SYN_MT_SLOT event and
> >>gives examples of how to use the event slot protocol.
> >
> >Am I right in thinking that SYN_MT_SLOT represents to the actual touch
> >area/finger on the surface? There could be more than one (x,y) (a few
> >points that form an irregular shape) that represents one finger. The
> >following example shows that slot 0 (finger 1) touched three points on
> >the surface while slot 1 (finger 2) only has one point reported:
> >
> >+ SYN_MT_SLOT 0
> >+ ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 45
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[0]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[0]
> >+ ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 46
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[1]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[1]
> >+ ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 47
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[2]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[2]
> >+ SYN_MT_SLOT 1
> >+ ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 30
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[3]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[3]
> >+ SYN_REPORT
> >
> >If my assumption is correct, i.e., one slot can have more than one
> >point, I would think ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID may not have to be a required
> >entry inside SYN_MT_SLOT. To the user land clients/drivers,
> >SYN_MT_SLOT itself could serve as an ID. So, the following case is
> >also a type B ( we know there are two touch areas. But we don't keep
> >track of the points inside the areas):
> >
> >+ SYN_MT_SLOT 0
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[0]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[0]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[1]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[1]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[2]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[2]
> >+ SYN_MT_SLOT 1
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[3]
> >+ ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[3]
> >+ SYN_REPORT
> >
> >So, an EVIO for X driver to retrieve the number of SLOTs would be very
> >helpful. Something like the following would do the work:
> >
> >input_set_abs_params(input_dev, ABS_MT_SLOT, 0, 12, 0, 0);
> >
> >which tells the user land clients that they can expect up to 13 touch areas.
> >
> >>+The main difference between the raw type A protocol and the higher level
> >>+type B slot protocol lies in the usage of identifiable contacts. The slot
> >>+protocol requires the use of the ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID,
> >
> >With what I said above, I think ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID is not the unique
> >identifier for type B protocol. It is the fact that we can identify
> >individual touch areas and use ABS_MT_SLOT to report them that makes
> >it a type B event.
> >
> >>ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, either provided by the
> >>+hardware of computed from the raw data [5].
> > ^^ or (is it?)
> >
> >I agree with this ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID definition. I would think something like:
> >
> >input_set_abs_params(input_dev, ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, 0, 47, 0, 0);
> >
> >which tells the clients that total of 48 points are tracked, would be helpful.
> >
> >Another topic that may be irrelevant to this patch is the filter. With
> >the use of ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID, a filter can be applied to discard the
> >useless repeated points or less than a certain number of points
> >movement.
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-20 0:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-18 20:10 [PATCH] input: mt: Introduce MT event slots (rev 3) Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-18 20:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] input: mt: Document the MT event slot protocol (rev2) Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-19 2:37 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-19 12:12 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 0:13 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-20 7:11 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-20 10:46 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 10:40 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 4:58 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 6:07 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 10:03 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 15:59 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 17:06 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 17:21 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 17:33 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 17:48 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 18:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 19:19 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-19 22:43 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-19 23:34 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 0:13 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 0:26 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 0:51 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 1:03 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 4:18 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 0:21 ` Peter Hutterer [this message]
2010-05-20 0:34 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 7:08 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 22:19 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 22:48 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-21 3:35 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-21 15:19 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-21 15:40 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-21 21:25 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-22 3:10 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 5:25 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 5:48 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 6:15 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 9:49 ` Henrik Rydberg
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