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From: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
To: Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Finer granularity and task/cgroup irq time accounting
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:55:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100720095546.2f899e04@mschwide.boeblingen.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1279583835-22854-1-git-send-email-venki@google.com>

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:57:11 -0700
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com> wrote:

> Currently, the softirq and hardirq time reporting is only done at the
> CPU level. There are usecases where reporting this time against task
> or task groups or cgroups will be useful for user/administrator
> in terms of resource planning and utilization charging. Also, as the
> accoounting is already done at the CPU level, reporting the same at
> the task level does not add any significant computational overhead
> other than task level storage (patch 1).

I never understood why the softirq and hardirq time gets accounted to a
task at all. Why is it that the poor task that is running gets charged
with the cpu time of an interrupt that has nothing to do with the task?
I consider this to be a bug, and now this gets formalized in the
taskstats interface? Imho not a good idea.

> The softirq/hardirq statistics commonly done based on tick based sampling.
> Though some archs have CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING based fine granularity
> accounting. Having similar mechanism to get fine granularity accounting
> on x86 will be a major challenge, given the state of TSC reliability
> on various platforms and also the overhead it may add in common paths
> like syscall entry exit.
> 
> An alternative is to have a generic (sched_clock based) and configurable
> fine-granularity accounting of si and hi time which can be reported
> over the /proc/<pid>/stat API (patch 2).

To get fine granular accounting for interrupts you need to do a
sched_clock call on irq entry and another one on irq exit. Isn't that
too expensive on a x86 system? (I do think this is a good idea but
still there is the worry about the overhead).

-- 
blue skies,
   Martin.

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-20  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-19 23:57 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Track and export per task [hard|soft]irq time Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86: Add IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING, finer accounting of irq time to task Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Generalize cpuacct usage tracking making it simpler to add new stats Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Export irq times through cpuacct cgroup Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-20  7:55 ` Martin Schwidefsky [this message]
2010-07-20 16:55   ` [PATCH 0/4] Finer granularity and task/cgroup irq time accounting Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-22 11:12     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-07-23  2:12       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24  7:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24  8:05           ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-24  9:09             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 11:38               ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-24 11:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 11:53                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 12:06                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-08-24 12:39                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 12:47                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-24 13:08                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 19:20                   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24 20:39                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-25  2:02                       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-25  7:20                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-08 11:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24  8:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-24  8:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24  0:56 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24  7:52   ` Peter Zijlstra

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