From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Finer granularity and task/cgroup irq time accounting
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:17:26 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100824124726.GQ4684@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282650835.2605.2629.camel@laptop>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> [2010-08-24 13:53:55]:
> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 17:08 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> >
> > The point is for containers it is more likely to give the right answer
> > and so on. Yes, the results are not 100% accurate.
>
> Consider one group heavily dirtying pages, it stuffs the IO queues full
> and gets blocked on IO completion. Since the CPU is then free to
> schedule something else we start running things from another group,
> those IO completions will come in while we run other group and get
> accounted to other group -- FAIL.
>
> s/group/task/ etc..
>
> That just really doesn't work, accounting async work, esp stuff that is
> not under software control it very tricky indeed.
Yes, we don't have sufficient context to charge the correct context. I
think openvz has some technology there, we will too when we have I/O
cgroups at a cgroup level, but the instances of such operations are
too many to accurately identify them all.
>
> So what are you wanting to do, and why. Do you really need accounting
> madness?
I think Venki gave the answer in the posting
"There are usecases where reporting this time against task
or task groups or cgroups will be useful for user/administrator
in terms of resource planning and utilization charging"
I don't have any specific use cases, I was just reviewing the patchset
and trying to understand how to solve the problem.
--
Three Cheers,
Balbir
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-24 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-19 23:57 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Track and export per task [hard|soft]irq time Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86: Add IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING, finer accounting of irq time to task Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Generalize cpuacct usage tracking making it simpler to add new stats Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-19 23:57 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Export irq times through cpuacct cgroup Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-20 7:55 ` [PATCH 0/4] Finer granularity and task/cgroup irq time accounting Martin Schwidefsky
2010-07-20 16:55 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-07-22 11:12 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-07-23 2:12 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24 7:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 8:05 ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-24 9:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 11:38 ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-24 11:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 11:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 12:06 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-08-24 12:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 12:47 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2010-08-24 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 19:20 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24 20:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-25 2:02 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-25 7:20 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-08 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 8:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-24 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-24 0:56 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-08-24 7:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
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