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From: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
To: holzheu@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Shailabh Nagar <nagar1234@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	John stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 09/10] taskstats: Fix exit CPU time accounting
Date: Tue,  5 Oct 2010 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101005085751.4490A401B2@magilla.sf.frob.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Michael Holzheu's message of  Thursday, 30 September 2010 15:47:40 +0200 <1285854460.1856.14.camel@holzheu-laptop>

> Thanks! That information was missing! Although still for me it not seems
> to be a good decision to do it that way. Because of that it currently is
> not possible to evaluate all consumed CPU time by looking at the current
> processes. Time can simply disappear.

I agree that it seems dubious.  I don't know why that decision was made in
POSIX, but that's how it is.  Anyway, POSIX only constrains what we report
in the POSIX calls, i.e. getrusage, times, waitid, SIGCHLD siginfo_t.
Nothing says we can't track more information and make it accessible in
other ways on Linux.

> What about adding a new set of CPU time fields (e.g. cr-times) for the
> cumulative "autoreap" children times to the signal struct and export
> them via taskstats?

I don't have a particular opinion about the details of how you export the
information.  Something generally along those lines certainly sounds
reasonable to me.

> Then the following set of CPU times will give a complete picture (I also
> added steal time (st) that is currently not accounted in Linux per
> task):
> 
> * task->(u/s/st-time):
>   Time that has been consumed by task itself

There is also "gtime", "guest time" when the task is a kvm vcpu.

There is also "sched time" (task->se.sum_exec_runtime), which is
all states of task time, tracked by a different method than [usg]time.

> * task->signal->(c-u/s/st-time):
>   Time that has been consumed by dead children of process where parent
>   has done a sys_wait()

Also cgtime (to gtime as cutime is to utime).

> * task->signal->(u/s/st-time):
>   Time that has been consumed by dead threads of thread group of process
>   - NEW: Has to be exported via taskstats

Also gtime here.  These are reported as part of the aggregate process times
that include both live and dead threads, but not distinguished.

> * task->signal->(cr-u/s/st-time):
>   Time that has been consumed by dead children that reaped 
>   themselves, because parent ignored SIGCHLD or has set SA_NOCLDWAIT
>   - NEW: Fields have to be added to signal struct
>   - NEW: Has to be exported via taskstats

Note that there are other stats aside from times that are treated the same
way (c{min,maj}_flt, cn{v,iv}csw, c{in,ou}block, cmaxrss, and io accounting).

What probably makes sense is to move all those cfoo fields from
signal_struct into foo fields in a new struct, and then signal_struct can
have "struct child_stats reaped_children, ignored_children" or whatnot.


Thanks,
Roland

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-05  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-23 13:48 [RFC][PATCH 00/10] taskstats: Enhancements for precise accounting Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:00 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/10] taskstats: Use real microsecond granularity for CPU times Michael Holzheu
2010-10-07  5:08   ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-08 15:08     ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-08 16:39       ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/10] taskstats: Separate taskstats commands Michael Holzheu
2010-09-27  9:32   ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-11  7:40   ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/10] taskstats: Split fill_pid function Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 17:33   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-27  9:33   ` Balbir Singh
2010-10-11  8:31   ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/10] taskstats: Add new taskstats command TASKSTATS_CMD_ATTR_PIDS Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/10] taskstats: Add "/proc/taskstats" Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/10] taskstats: Add thread group ID to taskstats structure Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/10] taskstats: Add per task steal time accounting Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/10] taskstats: Add cumulative CPU time (user, system and steal) Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/10] taskstats: Fix exit CPU time accounting Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 17:10   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-24 12:18     ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-26 18:11       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-27 13:23         ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-27 13:42         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-27 16:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-09-28  7:09             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-29 19:19             ` Roland McGrath
2010-09-30 13:47               ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-05  8:57                 ` Roland McGrath [this message]
2010-10-06  9:29                   ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-06 15:26                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-07 15:06                       ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-11 12:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-12 13:10                           ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-14 13:47                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-15 14:34                               ` Michael Holzheu
2010-10-19 14:17                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-10-22 16:53                                   ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-28  8:36           ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-28  9:08             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-28  9:23               ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-28 10:36                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-09-28 10:39                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-28  8:21   ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-28 16:50     ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 14:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/10] taststats: User space with ptop tool Michael Holzheu
2010-09-23 20:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/10] taskstats: Enhancements for precise accounting Andrew Morton
2010-09-23 22:11   ` Matt Helsley
2010-09-24 12:39     ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-25 18:19     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-09-24  9:10   ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-24 18:50     ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-27  9:18       ` Michael Holzheu
2010-09-27 20:02         ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-28  8:17           ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-27 10:49     ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-24  9:16 ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-30  8:38 ` Andi Kleen
2010-09-30 13:56   ` Michael Holzheu

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