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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>
Cc: Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.ca>,
	Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tj@kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, hpa@zytor.com, w@1wt.eu,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:51:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101126075158.GE19589@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101120031820.GC4617@outflux.net>


* Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:48:04AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > Agreed. A few other kernel address things that should be hidden are:
> > [snip]
> 
> For reference, here's what GRKERNSEC_HIDESYM looks like in grsecurity.
> It's quite a sledgehammer, but it does help to point out at least the
> minimum number of things that need fixing.

Yeah, it's a somewhat disgusting patch - but it also looks useful.

It would be more palatable for upstream if it was:

 - split up

 - if all those GRKERNSEC_HIDESYM #ifdefs were removed, either by making the 
   grsecurity defaults the default behavior, or by intelligently hiding it behinds 
   wrappers.

I'd suggest a single CONFIG_LEGACY_SYMBOLS=y config option for this, but only used 
to show those symbols that are absolutely needed for compatibility - like 
/proc/kallsyms. (Newer distros could disable this option and the kernel could 
eventually default to it being disabled as well.)

Also, while changing hexa output to symbolic output is fine, changing the oops 
output is borderline - that is an absolutely useful piece of information that helps 
us in decoding crashes. So i'd suggest to split that into a super-paranoid option or 
so.

Anyway, after a split-up we'll see how good the individual bits are - it's a bit of 
a mixed bag right now.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-26  7:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-16 10:46 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-17  5:07 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-18  7:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20  3:18     ` Kees Cook
2010-11-26  7:51       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-11-17  5:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:41   ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17  6:19     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-18  7:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-23 17:24     ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-26  7:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:03         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-20 11:32   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-19 19:19 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-19 19:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:58     ` david
2010-11-19 20:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 20:16         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-19 20:55           ` david
2010-11-26  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 16:33       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-29 18:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:05           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 19:21             ` Eric Paris
2010-11-29 19:38               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 21:49             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-29 23:31         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30 11:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20 11:05 ` Richard W.M. Jones
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-19 21:12 Andy Walls
2010-11-19 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20  2:40   ` Kees Cook
2010-11-20 19:47     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-11-29 22:58       ` Kevin Easton
2010-11-04 10:09 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29   ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33         ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 18:02           ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-10  8:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11  2:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11  7:05                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05  2:38     ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  0:20 ` Jesper Juhl

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