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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jason.wessel@windriver.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org, mort@sgi.com, akpm@osdl.org,
	security@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:32:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4676065-571a-4dda-bd3a-798a9b2d7edf@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871v6xt3l1.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

We already do virtual relocation on 32 bits, and replicating that on 64 bits wouldn't be hard.  However, the linkage script strongly assumes congruency mod 2/4 MiB, and that is probably nontrivial to change.  However, that still gives about 9 bits of entrophy to play with.  The question is if that is enough, or if we'd have to do more clever hacks.



"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:

>Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> writes:
>>
>> I also briefly thought about kernel ASLR, but my knowledge of the
>kernel
>> loading is too limited whether this is even possible or at all
>useful.
>
>Kernel ASLR sounds like a good idea, although there are some traps.
>
>On 32bit the available range is not too great, only a few hundred MB
>max. Probably less on a larger systems, there will conflicts with a
>large mem_map.  On 64bit x86 it's nearly 2GB and somewhat easier
>(although a large mem_map may still be a problem)
>
>You still want to not stray too much from a 2MB alignment
>to make sure most of the main kernel is handled by a single 2MB TLB
>entry. 
>
>It would not be too hard to do today using kexec and loading the kernel
>twice.  Right now the kexec command doesn't allow specifying
>the address, but the kernel interface supports it, so it could
>be just implemented in the user tool.
>
>Doing it with a single boot sequence would be a bit more work.
>Right now the relocation entries are not put into the bzImage
>and that would be needed.
>
>That would not cover modules, but it shouldn't be too difficult
>to do it for those either.
>
>-Andi
>
>-- 
>ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.

-- 
Sent from my mobile phone.  Please pardon any lack of formatting.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-07 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-04 10:09 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05  0:11   ` [Security] " Eugene Teo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29   ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33         ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 21:29             ` [Security] " Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 21:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 22:35                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 23:46                   ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07  8:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:49                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:12                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:22                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:25                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:32                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:51                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 15:27                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-08  6:29                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:51                         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:55                             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07  8:56                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07  9:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20101104215157.GA25128@ <20101107090805.GA27983@elte.hu>
2010-11-13 13:06                 ` Gilles Espinasse
2010-11-07 18:02           ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2010-11-10  8:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11  2:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11  7:05                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05  2:38     ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58       ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05  0:20 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-16 10:46 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-17  5:07 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-18  7:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20  3:18     ` Kees Cook
2010-11-26  7:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17  5:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:41   ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17  5:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17  6:19     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-18  7:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-23 17:24     ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-26  7:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:03         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-20 11:32   ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-19 19:19 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-19 19:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:58     ` david
2010-11-19 20:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 20:16         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-19 20:55           ` david
2010-11-26  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 16:33       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-29 18:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:05           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 19:21             ` Eric Paris
2010-11-29 19:38               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 21:49             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-29 23:31         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30 11:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20 11:05 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-11-19 21:12 Andy Walls
2010-11-19 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20  2:40   ` Kees Cook
2010-11-20 19:47     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-11-29 22:58       ` Kevin Easton

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