From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: roland@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
rjw@sisk.pl, jan.kratochvil@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/16] ptrace: make do_signal_stop() use ptrace_stop() if the task is being ptraced
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:53:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101223135330.GA18482@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101223122634.GA365@redhat.com>
Hello,
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 01:26:34PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> I missed this part of the changelog. "visible via fs/proc" is not
> the only change. Another change is how the tracee reacts to SIGCONT
> after that. With this patch it can't wake the tracee up.
>
> Consider the simplest example. The tracee is single-threaded and
> debugger == parent. Something like
>
> int main(void)
> {
> int child, status;
>
> child = fork();
> if (!child) {
> ptrace(PTRACE_TRACEME);
>
> kill(getpid(), SIGSTOP);
>
> return 0;
> }
>
> wait(&status)
> // the tracee reports the signal
> assert(WIFSTOPPED() && WSTOPSIG() == SIGSTOP);
> // it should stop after that
> ptrace(PTRACE_CONT, child, SIGSTOP);
>
> wait(&status);
> // now it is stopped
> assert(WIFSTOPPED() && WSTOPSIG() == SIGSTOP);
>
> kill(child, SIGCONT);
>
> wait(&status);
> assert(WIFSTOPPED() && WSTOPSIG() == SIGCONT);
>
> This won't work with this patch. the last do_wait() will hang forever.
> Probably this is fine, I do not know. Please take a look and ack/nack
> explicitly.
Yes, before the change, the task would respond to SIGCONT before the
first ptrace request succeeds after attach. To me, this doesn't seem
to be anything intentional tho. It seems a lot of ptrace and group
stop interactions is in the grey area with only the current (quirky,
I'm afraid) behavior drawing almost arbitrary lines across different
behaviors.
We can try to preserve all those behaviors but I don't think that will
be very beneficial. I think the best way to proceed would be
identifying the sensible and depended upon assumptions and then draw
clear lines from there stating what's guaranteed and what's undefined.
We'll have to keep some of quirkiness for sure.
Anyways, pondering and verifying all the possibly visible changes
definitely is necessary, but that said, we fortunately have rather
limited number of ptrace users and their usages don't seem to be too
wild (at least on my cursory investigation), so I think it to be
doable without breaking anything noticeably. But yeap we definitely
need to be careful.
> However. There is something I missed previously, and this small
> detail doesn't look good to me: the behaviour of SIGCONT becomes
> a bit unpredictable. Suppose it races with do_signal_stop() and
> clears GROUP_STOP_PENDING or SIGNAL_STOP_DEQUEUED before, in this
> case in can "wakeup" the tracee.
>
> IOW. Let's remove the 2nd wait() in the code above, the parent
> does
>
> wait(&status)
> // the tracee reports the signal
> assert(WIFSTOPPED() && WSTOPSIG() == SIGSTOP);
> // it should stop after that
> ptrace(PTRACE_CONT, child, SIGSTOP);
>
> kill(child, SIGCONT);
>
> Now we can't know id this SIGCONT works or not. If the tracee
> is already parked in ptrace_stop() - it doesn't. If the parent
> wins - the tracee doesn't stop.
We can change ptrace_stop() to use TASK_STOPPED if it's stopping for
group stop to preserve the original behavior but if it doesn't disturb
current users (and I doubt it would), I think it would be far cleaner
to state that the behavior is undefined. The current behavior - it
works if there hasn't been whichever ptrace operation inbetween - is
quite unexpected anyway, IMHO.
And, for longer term, I think it would be a good idea to separate
group stop and ptrace trap mechanisms, so that ptrace trap works
properly on per-task level and properly transparent from group stop
handling. The intertwining between the two across different domains
of threads inhfferently involves a lot of grey areas where there is no
good intuitive behavior.
> OTOH. Looking at this patch, I can no longer understand why
> ptrace_check_attach() can silently do s/STOPPED/TRACED/. Indeed,
> as Tejun pointed out, if ptrace_stop() needs arch_ptrace_stop(),
> then ptrace_check_attach() should be arch-friendly as well.
>
> So, the patch looks like the bugfix, but I do not understand this
> ia64/sparc magic and thus I do not know how important this fix.
> Nobody complained so far, though.
IIUC, it dumps the register window to userland memory. ia64 has this
stacked windows of registers which gets wound up and unwound according
to function calls and those need to be dumped to userland memory so
that the debugger can PEEK and POKE them. Not really sure why
skipping it didn't cause any problem until now tho.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-23 13:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-06 16:56 [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: sane interaction between ptrace and job control signals, take#2 Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 01/16] signal: fix SIGCONT notification code Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 02/16] signal: fix CLD_CONTINUED notification target Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 14:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 16:31 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 03/16] signal: remove superflous try_to_freeze() loop in do_signal_stop() Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 14:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 04/16] ptrace: kill tracehook_notify_jctl() Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 14:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:00 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 05/16] ptrace: add @why to ptrace_stop() Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 06/16] signal: fix premature completion of group stop when interfered by ptrace Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 15:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:04 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 07/16] signal: use GROUP_STOP_PENDING to stop once for a single group stop Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 08/16] ptrace: participate in group stop from ptrace_stop() iff the task is trapping for " Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 09/16] ptrace: make do_signal_stop() use ptrace_stop() if the task is being ptraced Tejun Heo
2010-12-23 12:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-23 13:53 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2010-12-23 16:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-23 16:33 ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-17 22:09 ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-27 13:56 ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 20:30 ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 14:39 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 10/16] ptrace: clean transitions between TASK_STOPPED and TRACED Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 15:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:31 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-21 17:32 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 10:54 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 11:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-22 15:14 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 16:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-22 16:21 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:56 ` [PATCH 11/16] signal: prepare for CLD_* notification changes Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 16:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-20 16:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:35 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:57 ` [PATCH 12/16] ptrace: make group stop notification reliable against ptrace Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 17:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:43 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 11:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-22 15:26 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 16:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-06 16:57 ` [PATCH 13/16] ptrace: reorganize __ptrace_unlink() and ptrace_untrace() Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 18:15 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:54 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:57 ` [PATCH 14/16] ptrace: make SIGCONT notification reliable against ptrace Tejun Heo
2010-12-20 19:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 12:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-21 17:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-22 10:35 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:57 ` [PATCH 15/16] ptrace: make sure SIGNAL_NOTIFY_CONT is checked after ptrace_signal() Tejun Heo
2010-12-06 16:57 ` [PATCH 16/16] ptrace: remove the extra wake_up_process() from ptrace_detach() Tejun Heo
2010-12-07 0:10 ` Roland McGrath
2010-12-07 13:43 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-21 17:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-22 10:36 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-14 17:36 ` [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: sane interaction between ptrace and job control signals, take#2 Oleg Nesterov
2010-12-14 17:46 ` Tejun Heo
2010-12-22 15:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
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