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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Chris Evans <scarybeasts@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	djm@mindrot.org, segoon@openwall.com, kees.cook@canonical.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, fweisbec@gmail.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 05/13] seccomp_filter: Document what seccomp_filter is and how it works.
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:00:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110701210011.GA22171@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikCaACO8o9HkAnkuaTuoKqqQWQrtw@mail.gmail.com>


* Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> > But that's exactly my point: i consider it the right way forward 
> > because it maximizes kernel utility in the long run.
> 
> Not if it never happens.  Which is what happened with the proposals 
> from Adam and from Eric.

Well, that's what my job is as a maintainer: to tell you if i dislike 
a solution and to suggest better solutions - and here this was really 
easy to do, as you already prototyped a solution i consider (far) 
superior.

I cannot force you to do it like that, but i do have to say 'no'.

> > are not some bad side effect or quirk, they are all generic 
> > improvements we want in any case and not just for sandboxing.
> 
> I didn't say they were bad side effects or quirks.

That's a pretty important point as well.

> > You might not be interested in all of those items, you are only 
> > interested in getting the narrow feature-set you are interested 
> > in, but you sure are interested in getting sandboxing versus not 
> > getting anything at all, right?
> 
> Unfortunately, that isn't the value proposition for me or many 
> other contributors.  The real question is whether I am interested 
> in getting sandboxing in with mainline or if I want to sign up to 
> maintain the patches out of tree until my hair falls out.

Well, if you implement the right solution then why should it stay out 
of tree?

If the code is clean and useful and resolves all the technical 
objections that were raised against it then i will certainly merge it 
- and i hope Linus will chime in if he finds the actual iteration 
unacceptable and the direction harmful, to save us all the trouble.

In the end the 'sandboxing' feature should be a few dozen lines at 
most - all the rest will just be shared infrastructure.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-01 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-24  0:36 [PATCH v9 01/13] tracing: split out filter initialization and clean up uses Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 02/13] tracing: split out syscall_trace_enter construction Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 03/13] seccomp_filter: new mode with configurable syscall filters Will Drewry
2011-06-24  7:30   ` Damien Miller
2011-06-24 20:20   ` Kees Cook
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 04/13] seccomp_filter: add process state reporting Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 05/13] seccomp_filter: Document what seccomp_filter is and how it works Will Drewry
2011-06-24  7:24   ` Chris Evans
     [not found]   ` <BANLkTimtYUyXbZjWhjK61B_1WBXE4MoAeA@mail.gmail.com>
2011-06-26 23:20     ` James Morris
2011-06-29 19:13       ` Will Drewry
2011-06-30  1:30         ` James Morris
2011-07-01 11:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-01 12:56             ` Will Drewry
2011-07-01 13:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-01 15:46                 ` Will Drewry
2011-07-01 16:10                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-01 16:43                     ` Will Drewry
2011-07-01 18:04                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-07-01 18:09                         ` Will Drewry
2011-07-01 18:48                           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-07-04  2:19                             ` James Morris
2011-07-05 12:40                               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-07-05 23:46                                 ` James Morris
2011-07-06  0:37                                   ` [Ksummit-2011-discuss] " Ted Ts'o
2011-07-05 23:56                               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-07-05  2:54                           ` [Ksummit-2011-discuss] " Eugene Teo
2011-07-01 20:25                         ` Kees Cook
2011-07-04 16:09                           ` [Ksummit-2011-discuss] " Greg KH
2011-07-01 21:00                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-07-01 21:34                         ` Will Drewry
2011-07-05  9:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-06 18:24                             ` Will Drewry
2011-07-05 15:26                 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 06/13] x86: add HAVE_SECCOMP_FILTER and seccomp_execve Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 07/13] arm: select HAVE_SECCOMP_FILTER Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 08/13] microblaze: select HAVE_SECCOMP_FILTER and provide seccomp_execve Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 09/13] mips: " Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 10/13] s390: " Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 11/13] powerpc: " Will Drewry
2011-08-30  5:28   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-28  0:14     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-11-28  1:45       ` Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 12/13] sparc: " Will Drewry
2011-06-24  0:36 ` [PATCH v9 13/13] sh: select HAVE_SECCOMP_FILTER Will Drewry

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