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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	markgross@thegnar.org, "Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks"
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:13:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201202070213.42970.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201202070200.55505.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Tuesday, February 07, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This series tests the theory that the easiest way to sell a once rejected
> feature is to advertise it under a different name.
> 
> Well, there actually are two different features, although they are closely
> related to each other.  First, patch [6/8] introduces a feature that allows
> the kernel to trigger system suspend (or more generally a transition into
> a sleep state) whenever there are no active wakeup sources (no, they aren't
> called wakelocks).  It is called "autosleep" here, but it was called a few
> different names in the past ("opportunistic suspend" was probably the most
> popular one).  Second, patch [8/8] introduces "wake locks" that are,
> essentially, wakeup sources which may be created and manipulated by user
> space.  Using them user space may control the autosleep feature introduced
> earlier.
> 
> This also is a kind of a proof of concept for the people who wanted me to
> show a kernel-based implementation of automatic suspend, so there you go.
> Please note, however, that it is done so that the user space "wake locks"
> interface is compatible with Android in support of its user space.  I don't
> really like this interface, but since the Android's user space seems to rely
> on it, I'm fine with using it as is.  YMMV.
> 
> Let me say a few words about every patch in the series individually.
> 
> [1/8] - This really is a bug fix, so it's v3.4 material.  Nobody has stepped
>   on this bug so far, but it should be fixed anyway.
> 
> [2/8] - This is a freezer cleanup, worth doing anyway IMO, so v3.4 material too.
> 
> [3/8] - This is something we can do no problem, although completely optional
>   without the autosleep feature.  Rather necessary with it, though.
> 
> [4/8] - This kind of reintroduces my original idea of using a wait queue for
>   waiting until there are no wakeup events in progress.  Alan convinced me that
>   it would be better to poll the counter to prevent wakeup_source_deactivate()
>   from having to call wake_up_all() occasionally (that may be costly in fast
>   paths), but then quite some people told me that the wait queue migh be
>   better.  I think that the polling will make much less sense with autosleep
>   and user space "wake locks".  Anyway, [4/8] is something we can do without
>   those things too.
> 
> The patches above were given Sign-off-by tags, because I think they make some
> sense regardless of the features introcuded by the remaining patches that in
> turn are total RFC.
> 
> [5/8] - This changes wakeup source statistics so that they are more similar to
>   the statistics collected for wakelocks on Android.  The file those statistics
>   may be read from is still located in debugfs, though (I don't think it
>   belongs to proc and its name is different from the analogous Android's file
>   name anyway).  It could be done without autosleep, but then it would be a bit
>   pointless.  BTW, this changes interfaces that _in_ _theory_ may be used by
>   someone, but I'm not aware of anyone using them.  If you are one, I'll be
>   pleased to learn about that, so please tell me who you are. :-)
> 
> [6/8] - Autosleep implementation.  I think the changelog explains the idea
>   quite well and the code is really nothing special.  It doesn't really add
>   anything new to the kernel in terms of infrastructure etc., it just uses
>   the existing stuff to implement an alternative method of triggering system
>   sleep transitions.  Note, though, that the interface here is different
>   from the Android's one, because Android actually modifies /sys/power/state
>   to trigger something called "early suspend" (that is never going to be
>   implemented in the "stock" kernel as long as I have any influence on it) and
>   we simply can't do that in the mainline.
> 
> [7/8] - This adds a wakeup source statistics that only makes sense with
>   autosleep and (I believe) is analogous to the Android's prevent_suspend_time
>   statistics.  Nothing really special, but I didn't want
>   wakeup_source_activate/deactivate() to take a common lock to avoid
>   congestion.
> 
> [8/8] - This adds a user space interface to create, activate and deactivate
>   wakeup sources.  Since the files it consists of are called wake_lock and
>   wake_unlock, to follow Android, the objects the wakeup sources are wrapped
>   into are called "wakelocks" (for added confusion).  Since the interface
>   doesn't provide any means to destroy those "wakelocks", I added a garbage
>   collection mechanism to get rid of the unused ones, if any.  I also tought
>   it might be a good idea to put a limit on the number of those things that
>   user space can operate simultaneously, so I did that too.
> 
> All in all, it's not as much code as I thought it would be and it seems to be
> relatively simple (which rises the question why the Android people didn't
> even _try_ to do something like this instead of slapping the "real" wakelocks
> onto the kernel FWIW).  IMHO it doesn't add anything really new to the kernel,
> except for the user space interfaces that should be maintainable.  At least I
> think I should be able to maintain them. :-)
> 
> All of the above has been tested very briefly on my test-bed Mackerel board
> and it quite obviously requires more thorough testing, but first I need to know
> if it makes sense to spend any more time on it.
> 
> IOW, I need to know your opinions!

Ouch.  Sorry for breaking the Greg's address.  Please replace it with the
correct one when you reply.

Thanks,
Rafael

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-07  1:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07  1:00 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29   ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10   ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09  0:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  1:27   ` mark gross
2012-02-07  1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  6:15   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  2:11       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-02-08 23:57 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" NeilBrown
2012-02-10  0:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  2:05     ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  0:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28           ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:54   ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14  2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  5:57     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:56           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02             ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50               ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04                 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:55         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  5:16     ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25  4:25       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  0:19         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28  1:17           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  5:58         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  1:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06  1:04               ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  8:45     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  5:35         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36   ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  4:49   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22  8:44     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  6:25         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  4:44               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25  4:43                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19     ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23  4:01       ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22     ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  4:03       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 20:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:49           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26               ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30  1:58             ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01  0:52               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  2:18                 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01  5:33                 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  6:28                   ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16  6:38                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17  5:14                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36                             ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18  6:41                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23     ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  3:05       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:39           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03  0:23           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24  1:35       ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  6:31           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:07               ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:57               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29                       ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30                         ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34                         ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14                         ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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