From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
markgross@thegnar.org, "Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks"
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:13:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201202070213.42970.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201202070200.55505.rjw@sisk.pl>
On Tuesday, February 07, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This series tests the theory that the easiest way to sell a once rejected
> feature is to advertise it under a different name.
>
> Well, there actually are two different features, although they are closely
> related to each other. First, patch [6/8] introduces a feature that allows
> the kernel to trigger system suspend (or more generally a transition into
> a sleep state) whenever there are no active wakeup sources (no, they aren't
> called wakelocks). It is called "autosleep" here, but it was called a few
> different names in the past ("opportunistic suspend" was probably the most
> popular one). Second, patch [8/8] introduces "wake locks" that are,
> essentially, wakeup sources which may be created and manipulated by user
> space. Using them user space may control the autosleep feature introduced
> earlier.
>
> This also is a kind of a proof of concept for the people who wanted me to
> show a kernel-based implementation of automatic suspend, so there you go.
> Please note, however, that it is done so that the user space "wake locks"
> interface is compatible with Android in support of its user space. I don't
> really like this interface, but since the Android's user space seems to rely
> on it, I'm fine with using it as is. YMMV.
>
> Let me say a few words about every patch in the series individually.
>
> [1/8] - This really is a bug fix, so it's v3.4 material. Nobody has stepped
> on this bug so far, but it should be fixed anyway.
>
> [2/8] - This is a freezer cleanup, worth doing anyway IMO, so v3.4 material too.
>
> [3/8] - This is something we can do no problem, although completely optional
> without the autosleep feature. Rather necessary with it, though.
>
> [4/8] - This kind of reintroduces my original idea of using a wait queue for
> waiting until there are no wakeup events in progress. Alan convinced me that
> it would be better to poll the counter to prevent wakeup_source_deactivate()
> from having to call wake_up_all() occasionally (that may be costly in fast
> paths), but then quite some people told me that the wait queue migh be
> better. I think that the polling will make much less sense with autosleep
> and user space "wake locks". Anyway, [4/8] is something we can do without
> those things too.
>
> The patches above were given Sign-off-by tags, because I think they make some
> sense regardless of the features introcuded by the remaining patches that in
> turn are total RFC.
>
> [5/8] - This changes wakeup source statistics so that they are more similar to
> the statistics collected for wakelocks on Android. The file those statistics
> may be read from is still located in debugfs, though (I don't think it
> belongs to proc and its name is different from the analogous Android's file
> name anyway). It could be done without autosleep, but then it would be a bit
> pointless. BTW, this changes interfaces that _in_ _theory_ may be used by
> someone, but I'm not aware of anyone using them. If you are one, I'll be
> pleased to learn about that, so please tell me who you are. :-)
>
> [6/8] - Autosleep implementation. I think the changelog explains the idea
> quite well and the code is really nothing special. It doesn't really add
> anything new to the kernel in terms of infrastructure etc., it just uses
> the existing stuff to implement an alternative method of triggering system
> sleep transitions. Note, though, that the interface here is different
> from the Android's one, because Android actually modifies /sys/power/state
> to trigger something called "early suspend" (that is never going to be
> implemented in the "stock" kernel as long as I have any influence on it) and
> we simply can't do that in the mainline.
>
> [7/8] - This adds a wakeup source statistics that only makes sense with
> autosleep and (I believe) is analogous to the Android's prevent_suspend_time
> statistics. Nothing really special, but I didn't want
> wakeup_source_activate/deactivate() to take a common lock to avoid
> congestion.
>
> [8/8] - This adds a user space interface to create, activate and deactivate
> wakeup sources. Since the files it consists of are called wake_lock and
> wake_unlock, to follow Android, the objects the wakeup sources are wrapped
> into are called "wakelocks" (for added confusion). Since the interface
> doesn't provide any means to destroy those "wakelocks", I added a garbage
> collection mechanism to get rid of the unused ones, if any. I also tought
> it might be a good idea to put a limit on the number of those things that
> user space can operate simultaneously, so I did that too.
>
> All in all, it's not as much code as I thought it would be and it seems to be
> relatively simple (which rises the question why the Android people didn't
> even _try_ to do something like this instead of slapping the "real" wakelocks
> onto the kernel FWIW). IMHO it doesn't add anything really new to the kernel,
> except for the user space interfaces that should be maintainable. At least I
> think I should be able to maintain them. :-)
>
> All of the above has been tested very briefly on my test-bed Mackerel board
> and it quite obviously requires more thorough testing, but first I need to know
> if it makes sense to spend any more time on it.
>
> IOW, I need to know your opinions!
Ouch. Sorry for breaking the Greg's address. Please replace it with the
correct one when you reply.
Thanks,
Rafael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-07 1:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-07 1:00 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29 ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09 0:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12 1:27 ` mark gross
2012-02-07 1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15 6:15 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 2:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07 1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49 ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-02-08 23:57 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" NeilBrown
2012-02-10 0:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12 2:05 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14 0:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 1:54 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14 2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15 5:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 3:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02 ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50 ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 3:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24 5:16 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25 4:25 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 0:19 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28 1:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 5:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 1:04 ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06 1:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22 8:45 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 5:35 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22 4:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22 8:44 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 6:25 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24 4:44 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 4:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 4:01 ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 4:03 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 20:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 3:49 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30 1:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01 0:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01 2:18 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 5:33 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01 6:28 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 6:38 ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17 5:14 ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36 ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18 6:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 3:05 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 0:39 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 0:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24 1:35 ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 6:31 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 0:07 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 3:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29 ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14 ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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