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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@kernel.org>
Cc: habanero@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, chegu vinod <chegu_vinod@hp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <srivatsa.vaddagiri@gmail.com>,
	rkrcmar@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Improving directed yield scalability for PLE handler
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:02:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120917080237.GA2104@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACJDEmqP7u0R_TmgZ2O=3vDS0DG5fOZLwBJ0pnviWiTehn92OA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 04:34:24PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > The concern I have is that even though we have gone through changes to
> > help reduce the candidate vcpus we yield to, we still have a very poor
> > idea of which vcpu really needs to run.  The result is high cpu usage in
> > the get_pid_task and still some contention in the double runqueue lock.
> > To make this scalable, we either need to significantly reduce the
> > occurrence of the lock-holder preemption, or do a much better job of
> > knowing which vcpu needs to run (and not unnecessarily yielding to vcpus
> > which do not need to run).
> 
> The patches that Raghavendra  has been posting do accomplish that.
> >
> > On reducing the occurrence:  The worst case for lock-holder preemption
> > is having vcpus of same VM on the same runqueue.  This guarantees the
> > situation of 1 vcpu running while another [of the same VM] is not.  To
> > prove the point, I ran the same test, but with vcpus restricted to a
> > range of host cpus, such that any single VM's vcpus can never be on the
> > same runqueue.  In this case, all 10 VMs' vcpu-0's are on host cpus 0-4,
> > vcpu-1's are on host cpus 5-9, and so on.  Here is the result:
> >
> > kvm_cpu_spin, and all
> > yield_to changes, plus
> > restricted vcpu placement:  8823 +/- 3.20%   much, much better
> >
> > On picking a better vcpu to yield to:  I really hesitate to rely on
> > paravirt hint [telling us which vcpu is holding a lock], but I am not
> > sure how else to reduce the candidate vcpus to yield to.  I suspect we
> > are yielding to way more vcpus than are prempted lock-holders, and that
> > IMO is just work accomplishing nothing.  Trying to think of way to
> > further reduce candidate vcpus....
> 
> ... the patches are posted -  you could try them out?

Radim and I have done some testing with the pvticketlock series. While we
saw a gain over PLE alone, it wasn't huge, and without PLE also enabled it
could hardly support 2.0x overcommit. spinlocks aren't the only place
where cpu_relax() is called within a relatively tight loop, so it's likely
that PLE yielding just generally helps by getting schedule() called more
frequently.

Drew

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-17  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-18 13:37 [PATCH RFC V5 0/3] kvm: Improving directed yield in " Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:37 ` [PATCH RFC V5 1/3] kvm/config: Add config to support ple or cpu relax optimzation Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:37 ` [PATCH RFC V5 2/3] kvm: Note down when cpu relax intercepted or pause loop exited Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:38 ` [PATCH RFC V5 3/3] kvm: Choose better candidate for directed yield Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 14:39   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-07-19  9:47     ` [RESEND PATCH " Raghavendra K T
2012-07-20 17:36 ` [PATCH RFC V5 0/3] kvm: Improving directed yield in PLE handler Marcelo Tosatti
2012-07-22 12:34   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-07-22 12:43     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23  7:35       ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-07-22 17:58     ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-23 10:03 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-07 13:11   ` [RFC][PATCH] Improving directed yield scalability for " Andrew Theurer
2012-09-07 18:06     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-07 19:42       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-08  8:43         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 13:16           ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-10 16:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 16:56               ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 17:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 19:10                   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-10 20:12                   ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-10 20:19                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 20:31                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-09-11  6:08                     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-11 12:48                       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-11 18:27                       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-13 11:48                         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-13 21:30                           ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-14 17:10                             ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-15 16:08                               ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-17 13:48                                 ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-14 20:34                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-09-17  8:02                               ` Andrew Jones [this message]
2012-09-16  8:55                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-17  8:10                               ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-18  3:03                               ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-19 13:39                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 12:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-11  7:04                   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 14:43         ` Raghavendra K T

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