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From: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
To: Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Theurer <habanero@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, chegu vinod <chegu_vinod@hp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <srivatsa.vaddagiri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Improving directed yield scalability for PLE handler
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:48:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120917134836.GA9770@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5054A816.1090807@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 09:38:54PM +0530, Raghavendra K T wrote:
> On 09/14/2012 10:40 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
> >On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 04:30:58PM -0500, Andrew Theurer wrote:
> >>On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 17:18 +0530, Raghavendra K T wrote:
> >>>* Andrew Theurer<habanero@linux.vnet.ibm.com>  [2012-09-11 13:27:41]:
> >>>
> [...]
> >>
> >>On picking a better vcpu to yield to:  I really hesitate to rely on
> >>paravirt hint [telling us which vcpu is holding a lock], but I am not
> >>sure how else to reduce the candidate vcpus to yield to.  I suspect we
> >>are yielding to way more vcpus than are prempted lock-holders, and that
> >>IMO is just work accomplishing nothing.  Trying to think of way to
> >>further reduce candidate vcpus....
> >>
> >
> >wrt to yielding to vcpus for the same cpu, I recently noticed that
> >there's a bug in yield_to_task_fair. yield_task_fair() calls
> >clear_buddies(), so if we're yielding to a task that has been running on
> >the same cpu that we're currently running on, and thus is also on the
> >current cfs runqueue, then our 'who to pick next' hint is getting cleared
> >right after we set it.
> >
> >I had hoped that the patch below would show a general improvement in the
> >vpu overcommit performance, however the results were variable - no worse,
> >no better. Based on your results above showing good improvement from
> >interleaving vcpus across the cpus, then that means there was a decent
> >percent of these types of yields going on. So since the patch didn't
> >change much that indicates that the next hinting isn't generally taken
> >too seriously by the scheduler.  Anyway, the patch should correct the
> >code per its design, and testing shows that it didn't make anything worse,
> >so I'll post it soon. Also, in order to try and improve how far set-next
> >can jump ahead in the queue, I tested a kernel with group scheduling
> >compiled out (libvirt uses cgroups and I'm not sure autogroups may affect
> >things). I did get slight improvement with that, but nothing to write home
> >to mom about.
> >
> >diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> >index c219bf8..7d8a21d 100644
> >--- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> >+++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> >@@ -3037,11 +3037,12 @@ static bool yield_to_task_fair(struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, bool preemp
> >  	if (!se->on_rq || throttled_hierarchy(cfs_rq_of(se)))
> >  		return false;
> >
> >+	/* We're yielding, so tell the scheduler we don't want to be picked */
> >+	yield_task_fair(rq);
> >+
> >  	/* Tell the scheduler that we'd really like pse to run next. */
> >  	set_next_buddy(se);
> >
> >-	yield_task_fair(rq);
> >-
> >  	return true;
> >  }
> >
> 
> Hi Drew,  Agree with your fix and tested the patch too.. results are
> pretty much same.  puzzled why so.

Looking at the code I see that the next hint might be used more frequently
if we bump up sysctl/kernel.sched_wakeup_granularity_ns. I also just found
out that some virt tuned profiles do that, so maybe I should try running
with one of those profiles.

> 
> thinking ... may be we hit this when #vcpu (of a  VM) > #pcpu?
> (pigeonhole principle ;)).

Not sure, but I haven't done any experiments where a single VM has >
#vcpus than the system as pcpus. For my vcpu overcommit I increase the
VM count, where each VM has #vcpus <= #pcpus.

Drew

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-17 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-18 13:37 [PATCH RFC V5 0/3] kvm: Improving directed yield in " Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:37 ` [PATCH RFC V5 1/3] kvm/config: Add config to support ple or cpu relax optimzation Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:37 ` [PATCH RFC V5 2/3] kvm: Note down when cpu relax intercepted or pause loop exited Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 13:38 ` [PATCH RFC V5 3/3] kvm: Choose better candidate for directed yield Raghavendra K T
2012-07-18 14:39   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-07-19  9:47     ` [RESEND PATCH " Raghavendra K T
2012-07-20 17:36 ` [PATCH RFC V5 0/3] kvm: Improving directed yield in PLE handler Marcelo Tosatti
2012-07-22 12:34   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-07-22 12:43     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23  7:35       ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-07-22 17:58     ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-23 10:03 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-07 13:11   ` [RFC][PATCH] Improving directed yield scalability for " Andrew Theurer
2012-09-07 18:06     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-07 19:42       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-08  8:43         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 13:16           ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-10 16:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 16:56               ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 17:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 19:10                   ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-10 20:12                   ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-10 20:19                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10 20:31                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-09-11  6:08                     ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-11 12:48                       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-11 18:27                       ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-13 11:48                         ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-13 21:30                           ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-14 17:10                             ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-15 16:08                               ` Raghavendra K T
2012-09-17 13:48                                 ` Andrew Jones [this message]
2012-09-14 20:34                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-09-17  8:02                               ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-16  8:55                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-17  8:10                               ` Andrew Jones
2012-09-18  3:03                               ` Andrew Theurer
2012-09-19 13:39                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 12:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-11  7:04                   ` Srikar Dronamraju
2012-09-10 14:43         ` Raghavendra K T

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