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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	linux@arm.linux.org.uk, pjt@google.com, santosh.shilimkar@ti.com,
	Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com, chander.kashyap@linaro.org,
	cmetcalf@tilera.com, tony.luck@intel.com, alex.shi@intel.com,
	preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, len.brown@intel.com, arjan@linux.intel.com,
	amit.kucheria@linaro.org, corbet@lwn.net, l.majewski@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/14] sched: pack small tasks
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:38:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130426123827.GB13464@dyad.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1366910611-20048-4-git-send-email-vincent.guittot@linaro.org>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 07:23:19PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:

> +static bool is_buddy_busy(int cpu)
> +{
> +	struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(cpu);
> +	u32 sum = rq->avg.runnable_avg_sum;
> +	u32 period = rq->avg.runnable_avg_period;
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * If a CPU accesses the runnable_avg_sum and runnable_avg_period
> +	 * fields of its buddy CPU while the latter updates it, it can get the
> +	 * new version of a field and the old version of the other one. This
> +	 * can generate erroneous decisions. We don't want to use a lock
> +	 * mechanism for ensuring the coherency because of the overhead in
> +	 * this critical path.
> +	 * The runnable_avg_period of a runqueue tends to the max value in
> +	 * less than 345ms after plugging a CPU, which implies that we could
> +	 * use the max value instead of reading runnable_avg_period after
> +	 * 345ms. During the starting phase, we must ensure a minimum of
> +	 * coherency between the fields. A simple rule is runnable_avg_sum <=
> +	 * runnable_avg_period.
> +	 */
> +	sum = min(sum, period);
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * A busy buddy is a CPU with a high load or a small load with a lot of
> +	 * running tasks.
> +	 */
> +	return (sum > (period / (rq->nr_running + 2)));
> +}


I'm still not sold on the entire nr_running thing and the comment doesn't say
why you're doing it.

I'm fairly sure there's software out there that wakes a gazillion threads at a
time only for a gazillion-1 to go back to sleep immediately. Patterns like that
completely defeat your heuristic.

Does that matter... I don't know.

What happens if you keep this thing simple and only put a cap on utilization
(say 80%) and drop the entire nr_running magic? Have you seen it make an actual
difference or did it just seem like a good (TM) thing to do?

> +static bool is_light_task(struct task_struct *p)
> +{
> +	/* A light task runs less than 20% in average */
> +	return ((p->se.avg.runnable_avg_sum  * 5) <
> +			(p->se.avg.runnable_avg_period));
> +}

There superfluous () and ' ' in there. Also why 20%.. seemed like a good
number? Do we want a SCHED_DEBUG sysctl for that?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-26 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-25 17:23 [RFC PATCH v4 00/14] sched: packing " Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 01/14] Revert "sched: Introduce temporary FAIR_GROUP_SCHED dependency for load-tracking" Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 02/14] sched: add a new SD_SHARE_POWERDOMAIN flag for sched_domain Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 03/14] sched: pack small tasks Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 12:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-26 13:16     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 12:38   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-04-26 13:38     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 04/14] sched: pack the idle load balance Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 12:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-26 13:47     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 05/14] ARM: sched: clear SD_SHARE_POWERDOMAIN Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 06/14] sched: add a knob to choose the packing level Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 07/14] sched: agressively pack at wake/fork/exec Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 13:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-26 14:23     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 08/14] sched: trig ILB on an idle buddy Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 13:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-26 14:52     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 09/14] sched: evaluate the activity level of the system Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 10/14] sched: update the buddy CPU Vincent Guittot
2013-04-28  8:20   ` Francesco Lavra
2013-04-29  7:32     ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 11/14] sched: filter task pull request Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 10:00   ` Vincent Guittot
2013-05-22 15:56     ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-05-22 16:03       ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 12/14] sched: create a new field with available capacity Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 13/14] sched: update the cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2013-04-25 17:23 ` [PATCH 14/14] sched: force migration on buddy CPU Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 12:08 ` [RFC PATCH v4 00/14] sched: packing small tasks Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 15:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-04-26 15:40   ` Vincent Guittot
2013-04-26 15:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-04-26 15:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2013-05-02  9:12       ` Vincent Guittot

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