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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: frequent softlockups with 3.10rc6.
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:19:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130704001940.556438c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130703044901.GI14996@dastard>

On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:49:01 +1000 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 08:28:42PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Then that test would become
> > >>
> > >>         if (wbc->sync_mode == WB_SYNC_SINGLE) {
> > >>
> > >> instead, and now "sync_mode" would actually describe what mode of
> > >> syncing the caller wants, without that hacky special "we know what the
> > >> caller _really_ meant by looking at *which* caller it is".
> > >
> > > The problem is that all the code that currently looks for
> > > WB_SYNC_ALL for it's behavioural cue during writeback now has
> > > multiple different modes they have to handle.  IOWs, it's not a
> > > straight forward conversion process. WB_SYNC_ALL reaches right down
> > > into filesystem ->writepages implementations and they all need to be
> > > changed if we make up a new sync_mode behaviour.
> > 
> > I have to admit that I absolutely detest our current "sync_mode" to
> > begin with, so I'd personally be happy to see some major surgery in
> > this area.

Forgive me, I was young.

> 
> > WB_SYNC_NONE semantics would presumably be "just
> > start writeout" (so it would become WB_SYNC_WRITE), while WB_SYNC_ALL
> > would become (WB_SYNC_BEFORE | WB_SYNC_WRITE | WB_SYNC_AFTER), but
> > then the "for_sync" case would remove WB_SYNC_AFTER, because it does
> > its own waiting after.
> 
> Not exactly. WB_SYNC_NONE currently means "best effort writeback"

Yup.  WB_SYNC_NONE means "this is for memory cleaning" and WB_SYNC_ALL
means "this is for data integrity".  They're two quite different
concepts whose implementations share a ton of code.

That being said, yes, sync_mode is pretty dorky and switching to a set
of very carefully defined flags makes sense.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-04  7:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-19 16:45 Dave Jones
2013-06-19 17:53 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-19 18:13   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-19 18:42     ` Dave Jones
2013-06-20  0:12     ` Dave Jones
2013-06-20 16:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-20 16:27         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-21 15:11         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-21 19:59           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-22  1:37             ` Dave Jones
2013-06-22 17:31               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-22 21:59                 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-23  5:00                   ` Andrew Vagin
2013-06-23 14:36                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-23 15:06                     ` Dave Jones
2013-06-23 16:04                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24  0:21                         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24  2:00                         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 14:39                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 14:52                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 16:00                               ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 16:24                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 16:51                                   ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 16:55                                       ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 17:21                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:23                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:26                                           ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 17:31                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:32                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:29                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:34                                             ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 16:37                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 16:49                                   ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 15:57                         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:35                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 17:44                             ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:53                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 18:00                               ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 15:35                             ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 16:23                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26  5:23                                 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-26 19:52                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26 20:00                                     ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27  3:01                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26  5:48                                 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-26 19:18                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-26 19:40                                 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27  0:22                                 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27  1:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-27  2:32                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27  7:55                                   ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 10:06                                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 12:52                                       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 15:21                                         ` Dave Jones
2013-06-28  1:13                                           ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28  3:58                                             ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 10:28                                               ` Jan Kara
2013-06-29  3:39                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-01 12:00                                                   ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02  6:29                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02  8:19                                                       ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 12:38                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02 14:05                                                           ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 16:13                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-02 16:57                                                               ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 17:38                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-03  3:07                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-03  3:28                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-03  4:49                                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-04  7:19                                                                         ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-06-29 20:13                                               ` Dave Jones
2013-06-29 22:23                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-29 23:44                                                   ` Dave Jones
2013-06-30  0:21                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-01 12:49                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2013-06-30  0:17                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-30  2:05                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-30  2:34                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 14:30                                     ` Dave Jones
2013-06-28  1:18                                       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28  2:54                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28  3:54                                           ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28  5:59                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28  7:21                                               ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28  8:22                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28  8:32                                                   ` Al Viro
2013-06-28  8:22                                               ` Al Viro
2013-06-28  9:49                                               ` Jan Kara
2013-07-01 17:57                                             ` block layer softlockup Dave Jones
2013-07-02  2:07                                               ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02  6:01                                                 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-02  7:30                                                   ` Dave Chinner

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