From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: frequent softlockups with 3.10rc6.
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:19:40 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130704001940.556438c3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130703044901.GI14996@dastard>
On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 14:49:01 +1000 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 08:28:42PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Then that test would become
> > >>
> > >> if (wbc->sync_mode == WB_SYNC_SINGLE) {
> > >>
> > >> instead, and now "sync_mode" would actually describe what mode of
> > >> syncing the caller wants, without that hacky special "we know what the
> > >> caller _really_ meant by looking at *which* caller it is".
> > >
> > > The problem is that all the code that currently looks for
> > > WB_SYNC_ALL for it's behavioural cue during writeback now has
> > > multiple different modes they have to handle. IOWs, it's not a
> > > straight forward conversion process. WB_SYNC_ALL reaches right down
> > > into filesystem ->writepages implementations and they all need to be
> > > changed if we make up a new sync_mode behaviour.
> >
> > I have to admit that I absolutely detest our current "sync_mode" to
> > begin with, so I'd personally be happy to see some major surgery in
> > this area.
Forgive me, I was young.
>
> > WB_SYNC_NONE semantics would presumably be "just
> > start writeout" (so it would become WB_SYNC_WRITE), while WB_SYNC_ALL
> > would become (WB_SYNC_BEFORE | WB_SYNC_WRITE | WB_SYNC_AFTER), but
> > then the "for_sync" case would remove WB_SYNC_AFTER, because it does
> > its own waiting after.
>
> Not exactly. WB_SYNC_NONE currently means "best effort writeback"
Yup. WB_SYNC_NONE means "this is for memory cleaning" and WB_SYNC_ALL
means "this is for data integrity". They're two quite different
concepts whose implementations share a ton of code.
That being said, yes, sync_mode is pretty dorky and switching to a set
of very carefully defined flags makes sense.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-04 7:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-19 16:45 Dave Jones
2013-06-19 17:53 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-19 18:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-19 18:42 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-20 0:12 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-20 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-20 16:27 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-21 15:11 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-21 19:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-22 1:37 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-22 17:31 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-22 21:59 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-23 5:00 ` Andrew Vagin
2013-06-23 14:36 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-23 15:06 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-23 16:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 0:21 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 2:00 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 14:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 14:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 16:00 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 16:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 16:51 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 16:55 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 17:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:26 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 17:34 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 16:49 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 15:57 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-24 17:44 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-24 17:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-24 18:00 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 15:35 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-25 16:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26 5:23 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-26 19:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26 20:00 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27 3:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-26 5:48 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-26 19:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-06-26 19:40 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27 0:22 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-27 1:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-06-27 2:32 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 7:55 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 10:06 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 12:52 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 15:21 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-28 1:13 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 3:58 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 10:28 ` Jan Kara
2013-06-29 3:39 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-01 12:00 ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 6:29 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02 8:19 ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 12:38 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02 14:05 ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-02 16:57 ` Jan Kara
2013-07-02 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-03 3:07 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-03 3:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-03 4:49 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-04 7:19 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-06-29 20:13 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-29 22:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-29 23:44 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-30 0:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-01 12:49 ` Pavel Machek
2013-06-30 0:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-30 2:05 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-30 2:34 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-27 14:30 ` Dave Jones
2013-06-28 1:18 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28 3:54 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 5:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28 7:21 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-28 8:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-28 8:32 ` Al Viro
2013-06-28 8:22 ` Al Viro
2013-06-28 9:49 ` Jan Kara
2013-07-01 17:57 ` block layer softlockup Dave Jones
2013-07-02 2:07 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-02 6:01 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-02 7:30 ` Dave Chinner
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