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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	sbw@mit.edu, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/locking 4/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE()
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:21:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131205132101.45c56f93@lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1386197219-31964-4-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Wed,  4 Dec 2013 14:46:59 -0800
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> The situations in which ACCESS_ONCE() is required are not well documented,
> so this commit adds some verbiage to memory-barriers.txt.

[...]

> +     But please note that the compiler is also closely watching what you
> +     do with the value after the ACCESS_ONCE().  For example, suppose you
> +     do the following and MAX is a preprocessor macro with the value 1:
> +
> +	for ((tmp = ACCESS_ONCE(a)) % MAX)
> +		do_something_with(tmp);

That sure looks like it was meant to be "while" instead of "for"?

[...]

> + (*) The compiler is within its rights to reorder memory accesses unless
> +     you tell it not to.  For example, consider the following interaction
> +     between process-level code and an interrupt handler:
> +
> +	void process_level(void)
> +	{
> +		msg = get_message();
> +		flag = true;
> +	}
> +
> +	void interrupt_handler(void)
> +	{
> +		if (flag)
> +			process_message(msg);
> +	}
> +
> +     There is nothing to prevent the the compiler from transforming
> +     process_level() to the following, in fact, this might well be a
> +     win for single-threaded code:
> +
> +	void process_level(void)
> +	{
> +		flag = true;
> +		msg = get_message();
> +	}
> +
> +     If the interrupt occurs between these two statement, then
> +     interrupt_handler() might be passed a garbled msg.  Use ACCESS_ONCE()
> +     to prevent this as follows:
> +
> +	void process_level(void)
> +	{
> +		ACCESS_ONCE(msg) = get_message();
> +		ACCESS_ONCE(flag) = true;
> +	}
> +
> +	void interrupt_handler(void)
> +	{
> +		if (ACCESS_ONCE(flag))
> +			process_message(ACCESS_ONCE(msg));
> +	}

Looking at this, I find myself wondering why you couldn't just put a
barrier() between the two statements in process_level()?  ACCESS_ONCE()
seems like a heavy hammer to just avoid reordering of two assignments.
What am I missing, and what could be added here to keep the other folks as
dense as me from missing the same thing?

Thanks,

jon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-05 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-04 22:46 [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 0/4] Memory-barrier documentation updates Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46 ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 1/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46   ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 2/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add long atomic examples " Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46   ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 4/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05  9:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05  9:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-12-05 10:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 18:02       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 13:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05  9:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 18:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 22:47         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:37             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 20:21     ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2013-12-05 21:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 18:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 19:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 19:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 20:09                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05  0:10 ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 0/4] Memory-barrier documentation updates Josh Triplett
2013-12-05 10:59 ` Henrik Austad
2013-12-05 12:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 13:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-05 18:05       ` David Miller
2013-12-05 18:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 18:44           ` David Miller
2013-12-05 19:01             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 12:29   ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 3/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Prohibit speculative writes Ingo Molnar

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