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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com,
	darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, sbw@mit.edu,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/locking 4/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:36:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131210173647.GU4208@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131210132448.GA31366@gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 02:24:48PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 10:33:34AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > + (*) The compiler is within its rights to reorder memory accesses unless
> > > > +     you tell it not to.  For example, consider the following interaction
> > > > +     between process-level code and an interrupt handler:
> > > > +
> > > > +	void process_level(void)
> > > > +	{
> > > > +		msg = get_message();
> > > > +		flag = true;
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +	void interrupt_handler(void)
> > > > +	{
> > > > +		if (flag)
> > > > +			process_message(msg);
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +     There is nothing to prevent the the compiler from transforming
> > > > +     process_level() to the following, in fact, this might well be a
> > > > +     win for single-threaded code:
> > > > +
> > > > +	void process_level(void)
> > > > +	{
> > > > +		flag = true;
> > > > +		msg = get_message();
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +     If the interrupt occurs between these two statement, then
> > > > +     interrupt_handler() might be passed a garbled msg.  Use ACCESS_ONCE()
> > > > +     to prevent this as follows:
> > > > +
> > > > +	void process_level(void)
> > > > +	{
> > > > +		ACCESS_ONCE(msg) = get_message();
> > > > +		ACCESS_ONCE(flag) = true;
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +	void interrupt_handler(void)
> > > > +	{
> > > > +		if (ACCESS_ONCE(flag))
> > > > +			process_message(ACCESS_ONCE(msg));
> > > > +	}
> > > 
> > > Technically, if the interrupt handler is the innermost context, the 
> > > ACCESS_ONCE() is not needed in the interrupt_handler() code.
> > > 
> > > Since for the vast majority of Linux code IRQ handlers are the most 
> > > atomic contexts (very few drivers deal with NMIs) I suspect we should 
> > > either remove that ACCESS_ONCE() from the example or add a comment 
> > > explaining that in many cases those are superfluous?
> > 
> > How about the following additional paragraph?
> > 
> >      Note that the ACCESS_ONCE() wrappers in interrupt_handler()
> >      are needed if this interrupt handler can itself be interrupted
> >      by something that also accesses 'flag' and 'msg', for example,
> >      a nested interrupt or an NMI.  Otherwise, ACCESS_ONCE() is not
> >      needed in interrupt_handler() other than for documentation purposes.
> 
> Sounds great to me!
> 
> Note that nested IRQs generally don't happen on modern Linux anymore, 
> we run almost all hardirqs with irqs disabled and in fact have a 
> warning to detect irq handlers that enable irqs:
> 
>                 res = action->handler(irq, action->dev_id);
>                 trace_irq_handler_exit(irq, action, res);
> 
>                 if (WARN_ONCE(!irqs_disabled(),"irq %u handler %pF enabled interrupts\n",
>                               irq, action->handler))
>                         local_irq_disable();

Good point!  I added the following at the end of the paragraph:

	(Note also that nested interrupts do not typically occur in
	modern Linux kernels, in fact, if an interrupt handler returns
	with interrupts enabled, you will get a WARN_ONCE() splat.)

I guess an IRQ handler could momentarily enable interrupts as long as
it disabled them again before returning, but I don't see any reason
to encourage that practice in Documentation/memory-barriers.txt.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-10 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-04 22:46 [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 0/4] Memory-barrier documentation updates Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46 ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 1/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46   ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 2/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add long atomic examples " Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-04 22:46   ` [PATCH tip/core/locking 4/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05  9:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05  9:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-12-05 10:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 18:02       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 13:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:36           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-12-05  9:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 18:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 22:47         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:37             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 20:21     ` Jonathan Corbet
2013-12-05 21:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 17:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 18:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 19:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 19:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 20:09                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05  0:10 ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 0/4] Memory-barrier documentation updates Josh Triplett
2013-12-05 10:59 ` Henrik Austad
2013-12-05 12:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 13:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-05 18:05       ` David Miller
2013-12-05 18:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-05 18:44           ` David Miller
2013-12-05 19:01             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 15:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 12:29   ` [PATCH v4 tip/core/locking 3/4] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Prohibit speculative writes Ingo Molnar

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