From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 5/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Downgrade UNLOCK+LOCK
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 10:49:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131210184920.GA4208@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131210174345.GF13532@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 06:43:45PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 09:12:47AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Good point -- the UNLOCK and LOCK are guaranteed to be ordered only
> > if they both operate on the same lock variable. OK, I will make the
> > example use different lock variables and show the different outcomes.
> > How about the following?
> >
> > If it is necessary for an UNLOCK-LOCK pair to
> > produce a full barrier, the LOCK can be followed by an
> > smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() invocation. This will produce a
> > full barrier if either (a) the UNLOCK and the LOCK are executed
> > by the same CPU or task, or (b) the UNLOCK and LOCK act on the
> > same lock variable.
>
> So you're still requiring smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() even if they're on
> the same variable?
Yep!
> > The smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() primitive is
> > free on many architectures. Without smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(),
> > the UNLOCK and LOCK can cross:
>
> Contradicted below :-)
Good eyes! I changed this to:
The smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() primitive is free on many
architectures. Without smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), the critical
sections corresponding to the UNLOCK and the LOCK can cross:
Is that better?
> > *A = a;
> > UNLOCK M
> > LOCK N
> > *B = b;
> >
> > could occur as:
> >
> > LOCK N, STORE *B, STORE *A, UNLOCK M
> >
> > With smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), they cannot, so that:
> >
> > *A = a;
> > UNLOCK M
> > LOCK N
> > smp_mb__after_unlock_lock();
> > *B = b;
> >
> > will always occur as either of the following:
> >
> > STORE *A, UNLOCK, LOCK, STORE *B
> > STORE *A, LOCK, UNLOCK, STORE *B
>
> See, UNLOCK and LOCK can still cross :-)
Indeed they can! ;-)
> > If the UNLOCK and LOCK were instead both operating on the same
> > lock variable, only the first of these two alternatives can occur.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Sorry for being a pedant. :-)
;-) ;-) ;-)
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-12-10 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-10 1:27 [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking] Memory-barrier documentation updates + smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:27 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 1/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add needed ACCESS_ONCE() calls to memory-barriers.txt Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:27 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 2/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Add long atomic examples " Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:27 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 3/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Prohibit speculative writes Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:28 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 4/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Document ACCESS_ONCE() Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:28 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 5/7] Documentation/memory-barriers.txt: Downgrade UNLOCK+LOCK Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:32 ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 5:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 13:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:43 ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 18:49 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-12-10 16:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 17:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 1:28 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 6/7] locking: Add an smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() for UNLOCK+LOCK barrier Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 1:34 ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 5:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 18:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 12:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-10 17:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:45 ` Josh Triplett
2013-12-10 20:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 17:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-12-10 17:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-12-10 1:28 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/locking 7/7] rcu: Apply smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() to preserve grace periods Paul E. McKenney
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