From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>,
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Subject: Re: sched_{set,get}attr() manpage
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:22:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140429142221.GT11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <535FA467.2070403@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 03:08:55PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> On 04/28/2014 10:18 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > find below an updated manpage, I did not apply the comments on parts
> > that are identical to SCHED_SETSCHEDULER(2) in order to keep these texts
> > in alignment. I feel that if we change one we should also change the
> > other, and such a 'patch' is best done separate from the new manpage
> > itself.
> >
> > I did add the missing EBUSY error, and amended the text where it said
> > we'd return EINVAL in that case.
> >
> > I added a paragraph stating that SCHED_DEADLINE preempted anything else
> > userspace can do (with the explicit mention of userspace to leave me
> > wriggle room for the kernel's stop task :-).
> >
> > I also did a short paragraph on the deadline sched_yield(). For further
> > deadline yield details we should maybe add to the SCHED_YIELD(2)
> > manpage.
> >
> > Re juri/claudio; no I think sched_yield() as implemented for deadline
> > makes sense, no other yield semantics other than NOP makes sense for it,
> > and since we have the syscall already might as well make it do something
> > useful.
>
> Thanks for the updated page. Would you be willing
> to revise as per the comments below.
Ok.
>
> > NAME
> > sched_setattr, sched_getattr - set and get scheduling policy/attributes
> >
> > SYNOPSIS
> > #include <sched.h>
> >
> > struct sched_attr {
> > u32 size;
> > u32 sched_policy;
> > u64 sched_flags;
> >
> > /* SCHED_NORMAL, SCHED_BATCH */
> > s32 sched_nice;
> > /* SCHED_FIFO, SCHED_RR */
> > u32 sched_priority;
> > /* SCHED_DEADLINE */
> > u64 sched_runtime;
> > u64 sched_deadline;
> > u64 sched_period;
> > };
> > int sched_setattr(pid_t pid, const struct sched_attr *attr, unsigned int flags);
> >
> > int sched_getattr(pid_t pid, const struct sched_attr *attr, unsigned int size, unsigned int flags);
> >
> > DESCRIPTION
> > sched_setattr() sets both the scheduling policy and the
> > associated attributes for the process whose ID is specified in
> > pid.
>
> Around about here, I think there needs to be a sentence explaining
> that sched_setattr() provides a superset of the functionality of
> sched_setscheduler(2) and setpritority(2). I mean, it can do all that
> those two calls can do, right?
Almost; setpriority() has the .which argument which we don't have. So
while that syscall can change the nice value for an entire process group
or user, sched_setattr() can only change the nice value for 1 task.
But yes, I can mention something along those lines.
> > If pid equals zero, the scheduling policy and attributes
> > of the calling process will be set. The interpretation of the
> > argument attr depends on the selected policy. Currently, Linux
> > supports the following "normal" (i.e., non-real-time) scheduling
> > policies:
> >
> > SCHED_OTHER the standard "fair" time-sharing policy;
> >
> > SCHED_BATCH for "batch" style execution of processes; and
> >
> > SCHED_IDLE for running very low priority background jobs.
> >
> > The following "real-time" policies are also supported, for
> > special time-critical applications that need precise control
> > over the way in which runnable processes are selected for
> > execution:
> >
> > SCHED_FIFO a first-in, first-out policy;
> >
> > SCHED_RR a round-robin policy; and
> >
> > SCHED_DEADLINE a deadline policy.
> >
> > The semantics of each of these policies are detailed below.
>
> The semantics of each of these policies are detailed in sched(7).
I don't appear to have SCHED(7), how new is that?
> [See my comments below]
>
> >
> > sched_attr::size must be set to the size of the structure, as in
> > sizeof(struct sched_attr), if the provided structure is smaller
> > than the kernel structure, any additional fields are assumed
> > '0'. If the provided structure is larger than the kernel
> > structure, the kernel verifies all additional fields are '0' if
> > not the syscall will fail with -E2BIG.
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_policy the desired scheduling policy.
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_flags additional flags that can influence
> > scheduling behaviour. Currently as per Linux kernel 3.14:
> >
> > SCHED_FLAG_RESET_ON_FORK - resets the scheduling policy
> > to: (struct sched_attr){ .sched_policy = SCHED_OTHER, }
> > on fork().
> >
> > is the only supported flag.
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_nice should only be set for SCHED_OTHER,
> > SCHED_BATCH, the desired nice value [-20,19], see NICE(2).
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_priority should only be set for SCHED_FIFO,
> > SCHED_RR, the desired static priority [1,99].
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_runtime
> > sched_attr::sched_deadline
> > sched_attr::sched_period should only be set for SCHED_DEADLINE
> > and are the traditional sporadic task model parameters.
>
> Could you add (a lot ;-)) more detail on these three fields? Assume the
> reader does not know about this traditional sporadic task model, and
> then give some explanation of what these three fields do. Probably, at
> this point you can work in some statement about the admission control
> test.
>
> [but, see my comment below. It may be that sched(7) is a better
> place for this detail.
Yes, I think SCHED(7) would be a better place; also I think I forgot to
put a reference in to Documentation/scheduler/sched-deadline.txt
I'll try and write something concise. This is the stuff of books, not
paragraphs :/
> > The flags argument should be 0.
> >
> > sched_getattr() queries the scheduling policy currently applied
> > to the process identified by pid. If pid equals zero, the
> > policy of the calling process will be retrieved.
> >
> > The size argument should reflect the size of struct sched_attr
> > as known to userspace. The kernel fills out sched_attr::size to
> > the size of its sched_attr structure. If the user provided
> > structure is larger, additional fields are not touched. If the
> > user provided structure is smaller, but the kernel needs to
> > return values outside the provided space, the syscall will fail
> > with -E2BIG.
> >
> > The flags argument should be 0.
> >
> > The other sched_attr fields are filled out as described in
> > sched_setattr().
>
> I assume that everything between my [[[ and ]]] blocks below is taken straight
> from sched_setscheduler(2). (If that is not true, please let me know.)
That did indeed look about right.
> This reminds me that there is a structural fault in this part of man-pages ;-).
> The problem is sched_setscheduler(2) currently tries to do two things:
>
> [a] Document the sched_setscheduler() and sched_scheduler system calls
> [b] Provide and overview od scheduling policies and parameters.
>
> It should really only do the former. I have now gone through the task of
> separating [b] out into a separate page, sched(7), which other pages,
> such as sched_setscheduler(2) and sched_setattr(2) can refer to. You
> can see the current versions of sched_setscheduelr.2 and sched.7 in Git
> (https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/download.html )
>
> So, what I would ideally like to see
>
> [1] A page describing the sched_setattr() and sched_getattr() APIs
> [2] A piece of text describing the SCHED_DEADLINE policy, which I can
> drop into sched(7).
>
> Could you revise like that?
ACK.
> [[[[
> ]]]]
>
> > SCHED_DEADLINE: Sporadic task model deadline scheduling
> > SCHED_DEADLINE is an implementation of GEDF (Global Earliest
> > Deadline First) with additional CBS (Constant Bandwidth Server).
> > The CBS guarantees that tasks that over-run their specified
> > budget are throttled and do not affect the correct performance
> > of other SCHED_DEADLINE tasks.
> >
> > SCHED_DEADLINE tasks will fail FORK(2) with -EAGAIN
> >
> > Setting SCHED_DEADLINE can fail with -EBUSY when admission
> > control tests fail.
> >
> > Because of the nature of (G)EDF, SCHED_DEADLINE tasks are the
> > highest priority (user controllable) tasks in the system, if any
> > SCHED_DEADLINE task is runnable it will preempt anything
> > FIFO/RR/OTHER/BATCH/IDLE task out there.
> >
> > A SCHED_DEADLINE task calling sched_yield() will 'yield' the
> > current job and wait for a new period to begin.
>
> This is the piece that could go into sched(7), but I'd like it to include
> a discussion of deadline, period, and runtime.
>
> [[[[
> ]]]]
>
> > RETURN VALUE
> > On success, sched_setattr() and sched_getattr() return 0. On
> > error, -1 is returned, and errno is set appropriately.
> >
> > ERRORS
> > EINVAL The scheduling policy is not one of the recognized policies,
> > param is NULL, or param does not make sense for the policy.
> >
> > EPERM The calling process does not have appropriate privileges.
> >
> > ESRCH The process whose ID is pid could not be found.
> >
> > E2BIG The provided storage for struct sched_attr is either too
> > big, see sched_setattr(), or too small, see sched_getattr().
> >
> > EBUSY SCHED_DEADLINE admission control failure
>
> The above is the only place on the page that mentions admission control.
> As well as the suggestions above, it would be nice to have somewhere a
> summary of how admission control is calculated.
I think I'll write down what admission control is without specifics.
Giving specifics pins you down on the implementation. In general
admission control enforces a bound on the schedulability of the task
set. New and interesting ways of computing schedulability are the
subject of papers each year.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-29 14:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-17 12:27 [PATCH 00/13] sched, deadline: patches Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 01/13] sched: Add 3 new scheduler syscalls to support an extended scheduling parameters ABI Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 14:36 ` Michael Kerrisk
2014-01-21 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 15:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 16:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-01-21 16:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 16:46 ` Juri Lelli
2014-02-14 14:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-02-14 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-15 12:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-02-17 13:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-09 9:25 ` sched_{set,get}attr() manpage Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-09 15:19 ` Henrik Austad
2014-04-09 15:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-10 7:47 ` Juri Lelli
2014-04-10 9:59 ` Claudio Scordino
2014-04-27 15:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 19:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-28 7:39 ` Juri Lelli
2014-04-28 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-29 13:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-04-29 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-30 11:09 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-30 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-30 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-03 10:43 ` Juri Lelli
2014-05-05 6:55 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-05 7:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-05 7:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-05 7:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-05 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-06 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 8:23 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-09 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 9:26 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-19 13:06 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Disallow sched_attr::sched_policy < 0 tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 12:25 ` tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-21 20:32 ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Add 'flags' argument to sched_{set, get}attr() syscalls tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-26 9:48 ` [PATCH 01/13] sched: Add 3 new scheduler syscalls to support an extended scheduling parameters ABI Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 02/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE structures & implementation Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 03/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE SMP-related data structures & logic Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 04/13] [PATCH 05/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE avg_update accounting Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 05/13] sched: Add period support for -deadline tasks Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 06/13] [PATCH 07/13] sched: Add latency tracing " Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 07/13] rtmutex: Turn the plist into an rb-tree Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 08/13] sched: Drafted deadline inheritance logic Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 09/13] sched: Add bandwidth management for sched_dl Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-18 16:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 17:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 18:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 18:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 21:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 23:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-21 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-21 17:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-13 15:55 ` [tip:sched/core] sched/deadline: Fix hotplug admission control tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 10/13] sched: speed up -dl pushes with a push-heap Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 11/13] sched: Remove sched_setscheduler2() Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 12/13] sched, deadline: Fixup the smp-affinity mask tests Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 13/13] sched, deadline: Remove the sysctl_sched_dl knobs Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 20:17 ` [PATCH] sched, deadline: Properly initialize def_dl_bandwidth lock Steven Rostedt
2013-12-18 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 00/13] sched, deadline: patches Juri Lelli
2013-12-20 14:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 15:19 ` Steven Rostedt
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