From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: sched_{set,get}attr() manpage
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:35:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140430123535.GG11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5360D9E5.9080206@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 01:09:25PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for the revision. More comments below. Could you revise in
> the light of those comments, and hopefully also after feedback from
> Juri and Dario?
>
> >
> > sched_attr::sched_runtime
> > sched_attr::sched_deadline
> > sched_attr::sched_period should only be set for SCHED_DEADLINE
> > and are the traditional sporadic task model parameters, see
> > sched(7).
>
> So, are there fields expressed in some unit (presumably microseconds)?
> Best to mention that here.
Oh wait, no its nanoseconds. Which means I should amend the text below.
> >> [2] A piece of text describing the SCHED_DEADLINE policy, which I can
> >> drop into sched(7).
> >
> > SCHED_DEADLINE: Sporadic task model deadline scheduling
> > SCHED_DEADLINE is an implementation of GEDF (Global Earliest
> > Deadline First) with additional CBS (Constant Bandwidth Server).
> >
> > A sporadic task is on that has a sequence of jobs, where each job
> > is activated at most once per period [us]. Each job will have an
> > absolute deadline relative to its activation before which it must
(A)
> > finish its execution, and it shall at no time run longer
> > than runtime [us] after its release.
> >
> > activation/wakeup absolute deadline
> > | release |
> > v v v
> > -------x--------x--------------x--------x-------
> > |<- Runtime -->|
> > |<---------- Deadline ->|
> > |<---------- Period ----------->|
> >
> > This gives: runtime <= (rel) deadline <= period.
>
> So, the 'sched_deadline' field in the 'sched_attr' expresses the release
> deadline? (I had initially thought it was the "absolute deadline".
> Could you make this clearer in the text please.
No, and yes, sched_attr::sched_deadline is a relative deadline wrt to
the activation. Like said at (A).
So we get: absolute deadline = activation + relative deadline.
And we must be done running at that point, so the very last possible
release moment is: absolute deadline - runtime.
And therefore, it too is a release deadline, since we must not release
later than that.
> > The CBS guarantees that tasks that over-run their specified
> > runtime are throttled and do not affect the correct performance
> > of other SCHED_DEADLINE tasks.
> >
> > In general a task set of such tasks it not feasible/schedulable
>
> That last line is garbled. Could you fix, please.
s/it/is/
> Also, could you add some words to explain what you mean by 'task set'.
A set of tasks? :-) In particular all tasks in the system of
SCHED_DEADLINE, indicated by 'of such'.
> > within the given constraints. Therefore we must do an admittance
> > test on setting/changing SCHED_DEADLINE policy/attributes.
> >
> > This admission test calculates that the task set is
> > feasible/schedulable, failing this, sched_setattr() will return
> > -EBUSY.
> >
> > For example, it is required (but not sufficient) for the total
> > utilization to be less or equal to the total amount of cpu time
> > available. That is, since each job can maximally run for runtime
> > [us] per period [us], that task's utilization is runtime/period.
> > Summing this over all tasks must be less than the total amount of
> > CPUs present.
> >
> > SCHED_DEADLINE tasks will fail fork(2) with -EAGAIN.
>
> Except if SCHED_RESET_ON_FORK was set, right? If yes, that should be
> mentioned here.
Ah, indeed.
> > Because of the nature of (G)EDF, SCHED_DEADLINE tasks are the
> > highest priority (user controllable) tasks in the system, if any
> > SCHED_DEADLINE task is runnable it will preempt anything
> > FIFO/RR/OTHER/BATCH/IDLE task out there.
> >
> > A SCHED_DEADLINE task calling sched_yield() will 'yield' the
> > current job and wait for a new period to begin.
>
> So, I'm trying to naively understand how this all works. If different
> processes specify different deadline periods, how does the kernel deal
> with that? Is it worth adding some detail on this point?
Userspace should not rely on any implementation details there. Saying
its a (G)EDF scheduler is maybe already too much. All userspace should
really care about is that its tasks _should_ be scheduled such that it
meets the specified requirements.
There are multiple scheduling algorithms that can be employed to make it
so, and I don't want to pin us to whatever we chose to implement this
time.
That said, the current (G)EDF is a soft realtime scheduler in that it
guarantees a bounded tardiness (which is the time we can miss the
deadline by) but not a hard realtime, since the bound is not 0.
Anyway, for your elucidation; assuming no overhead and a UP system
(SMP is a right head-ache), and a further assumption that deadline ==
period. It is reasonable straight forward to see that scheduling the
task with the earliest deadline will satisfy the constraints IFF the
total utilization (\Sum runtime_i / deadline_i) <= 1.
Suppose two tasks: A := { 5, 10 } and B := { 10, 20 } with strict
periodic activation:
A1,B1 A2 Ad2
| Ad1 Bd1
v v v
--AAAAABBBBBAAAAABBBBBx--
--AAAAABBBBBBBBBBAAAAAx--
Where A# is the #th activation, Ad# is the corresponding #th deadline
before which we must have sufficient time.
Since we're perfectly synced up there is a tie and we get two possible
outcomes. But note that in either case A has gotten 2x its 5 As and B
has gotten its 10 Bs.
Non-periodic activation, and deadline != period make the thing more
interesting, but at that point I would ask Juri (or others) to refer you
to a paper/book.
Now, let me go update the texts yet again :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-30 12:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-17 12:27 [PATCH 00/13] sched, deadline: patches Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 01/13] sched: Add 3 new scheduler syscalls to support an extended scheduling parameters ABI Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 14:36 ` Michael Kerrisk
2014-01-21 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 15:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 16:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-01-21 16:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-21 16:46 ` Juri Lelli
2014-02-14 14:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-02-14 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-15 12:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-02-17 13:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-09 9:25 ` sched_{set,get}attr() manpage Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-09 15:19 ` Henrik Austad
2014-04-09 15:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-10 7:47 ` Juri Lelli
2014-04-10 9:59 ` Claudio Scordino
2014-04-27 15:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-27 19:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-28 7:39 ` Juri Lelli
2014-04-28 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-29 13:08 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-29 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-29 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-30 11:09 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-04-30 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-04-30 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-03 10:43 ` Juri Lelli
2014-05-05 6:55 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-05 7:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-05 7:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-05 7:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-05 9:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-06 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 8:23 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-09 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 9:26 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-19 13:06 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Disallow sched_attr::sched_policy < 0 tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 12:25 ` tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-21 20:32 ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Add 'flags' argument to sched_{set, get}attr() syscalls tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-26 9:48 ` [PATCH 01/13] sched: Add 3 new scheduler syscalls to support an extended scheduling parameters ABI Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 02/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE structures & implementation Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 03/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE SMP-related data structures & logic Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 04/13] [PATCH 05/13] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE avg_update accounting Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 05/13] sched: Add period support for -deadline tasks Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 06/13] [PATCH 07/13] sched: Add latency tracing " Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 07/13] rtmutex: Turn the plist into an rb-tree Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 08/13] sched: Drafted deadline inheritance logic Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 09/13] sched: Add bandwidth management for sched_dl Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-18 16:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 17:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 17:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 18:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 18:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 21:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 23:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-21 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-21 17:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-01-13 15:55 ` [tip:sched/core] sched/deadline: Fix hotplug admission control tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 10/13] sched: speed up -dl pushes with a push-heap Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 11/13] sched: Remove sched_setscheduler2() Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 12/13] sched, deadline: Fixup the smp-affinity mask tests Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 12:27 ` [PATCH 13/13] sched, deadline: Remove the sysctl_sched_dl knobs Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-17 20:17 ` [PATCH] sched, deadline: Properly initialize def_dl_bandwidth lock Steven Rostedt
2013-12-18 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 00/13] sched, deadline: patches Juri Lelli
2013-12-20 14:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-20 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20 15:19 ` Steven Rostedt
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