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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>
Cc: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Paolo Bonzini <paolo.bonzini@gmail.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	Chegu Vinod <chegu_vinod@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 03/19] qspinlock: Add pending bit
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 19:00:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140514170016.GW30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140514165121.GA21370@potion.redhat.com>

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On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 06:51:24PM +0200, Radim Krčmář wrote:
> Ok.
> I've seen merit in pvqspinlock even with slightly slower first-waiter,
> so I would have happily sacrificed those horrible branches.
> (I prefer elegant to optimized code, but I can see why we want to be
>  strictly better than ticketlock.)
> Peter mentioned that we are focusing on bare-metal patches, so I'll
> withold my other paravirt rants until they are polished.

Well, paravirt must happen too, but comes later in this series, patch 3
which we're replying to is still very much in the bare metal part of the
series.

I've not had time yet to decode all that Waiman has done to make
paravirt work.

But as a general rule I like patches that start with something simple
and working and then optimize it, this series doesn't seem to quite
grasp that.

> And to forcefully bring this thread a little bit on-topic:
> 
> Pending-bit is effectively a lock in a lock, so I was wondering why
> don't we use more pending bits; advantages are the same, just diminished
> by the probability of having an ideally contended lock:
>  - waiter won't be blocked on RAM access if critical section (or more)
>    ends sooner
>  - some unlucky cacheline is not forgotten
>  - faster unlock (no need for tail operations)
> (- ?)
> disadvantages are magnified:
>  - increased complexity
>  - intense cacheline sharing
>    (I thought that this is the main disadvantage of ticketlock.)
> (- ?)
> 
> One bit still improved performance, is it the best we got?

So, the advantage of one bit is that if we use a whole byte for 1 bit we
can avoid some atomic ops.

The entire reason for this in-word spinner is to amortize the cost of
hitting the external node cacheline.

So traditional locks like test-and-test and the ticket lock only ever
access the spinlock word itsef, this MCS style queueing lock has a
second (and, see my other rants in this thread, when done wrong more
than 2) cacheline to touch.

That said, all our benchmarking is pretty much for the cache-hot case,
so I'm not entirely convinced yet that the one pending bit makes up for
it, it does in the cache-hot case.

But... writing cache-cold benchmarks is _hard_ :/

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-14 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-07 15:01 [PATCH v10 00/19] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with PV support Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 01/19] qspinlock: A simple generic 4-byte queue spinlock Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 02/19] qspinlock, x86: Enable x86-64 to use " Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 03/19] qspinlock: Add pending bit Waiman Long
2014-05-08 18:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  0:49     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-12 15:22   ` Radim Krčmář
2014-05-12 17:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-13 19:47     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-14 16:51       ` Radim Krčmář
2014-05-14 17:00         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-05-14 19:13           ` Radim Krčmář
2014-05-19 20:17             ` Waiman Long
     [not found]               ` <20140521164930.GA26199@potion.brq.redhat.com>
2014-05-21 17:02                 ` [RFC 08/07] qspinlock: integrate pending bit into queue Radim Krčmář
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 04/19] qspinlock: Extract out the exchange of tail code word Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 05/19] qspinlock: Optimize for smaller NR_CPUS Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 06/19] qspinlock: prolong the stay in the pending bit path Waiman Long
2014-05-08 18:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  0:58     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-10 13:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 07/19] qspinlock: Use a simple write to grab the lock, if applicable Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  1:05     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  1:06     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 08/19] qspinlock: Make a new qnode structure to support virtualization Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  1:08     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-10 14:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10 18:21         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 09/19] qspinlock: Prepare for unfair lock support Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-10  1:19     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-10 14:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 10/19] qspinlock, x86: Allow unfair spinlock in a virtual guest Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-19 20:30     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-12 18:57   ` Radim Krčmář
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 11/19] qspinlock: Split the MCS queuing code into a separate slowerpath Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 12/19] unfair qspinlock: Variable frequency lock stealing mechanism Waiman Long
2014-05-08 19:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 13/19] unfair qspinlock: Enable lock stealing in lock waiters Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 14/19] pvqspinlock, x86: Rename paravirt_ticketlocks_enabled Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 15/19] pvqspinlock, x86: Add PV data structure & methods Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 16/19] pvqspinlock: Enable coexistence with the unfair lock Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 17/19] pvqspinlock: Add qspinlock para-virtualization support Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 18/19] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable PV qspinlock PV for KVM Waiman Long
2014-05-07 19:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-05-08 17:54     ` Waiman Long
2014-05-07 15:01 ` [PATCH v10 19/19] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable PV qspinlock for XEN Waiman Long
2014-05-07 19:07 ` [PATCH v10 00/19] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with PV support Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-05-08 17:54   ` Waiman Long

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