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From: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Zhang Yanfei <zhangyanfei@cn.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 07/14] mm, compaction: khugepaged should not give up due to need_resched()
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:27:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140729082714.GD1610@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1407290024550.7998@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:31:13AM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> 
> > I have a silly question here.
> > Why need_resched() is criteria to stop async compaction?
> > need_resched() is flagged up when time slice runs out or other reasons.
> > It means that we should stop async compaction at arbitrary timing
> > because process can be on compaction code at arbitrary moment. I think
> > that it isn't reasonable and it doesn't ensure anything. Instead of
> > this approach, how about doing compaction on certain amounts of pageblock
> > for async compaction?
> > 
> 
> Not a silly question at all, I had the same feeling in 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/5/21/730 and proposed it to be a tunable that 
> indicates how much work we are willing to do for thp in the pagefault 
> path.  It suffers from the fact that past failure to isolate and/or 

Oh... you already suggested the same idea.

> migrate memory to free an entire pageblock doesn't indicate that the next 
> pageblock will fail as well, but there has to be cutoff at some point or 
> async compaction becomes unnecessarily expensive.  We can always rely on 
> khugepaged later to do the collapse, assuming we're not faulting memory 
> and then immediately pinning it.
> 
> I think there's two ways to go about it:
> 
>  - allow a single thp fault to be expensive and then rely on deferred
>    compaction to avoid subsequent calls in the near future, or
> 
>  - try to make all thp faults be as least expensive as possible so that
>    the cumulative effect of faulting large amounts of memory doesn't end
>    up with lengthy stalls.

Hmm, if thp faults want to pay cost as least as possible, how about
making thp faults skip async/sync compaction at all?

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-29  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-28 13:11 [PATCH v5 00/14] compaction: balancing overhead and success rates Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] mm, THP: don't hold mmap_sem in khugepaged when allocating THP Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 23:39   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] mm, compaction: defer each zone individually instead of preferred zone Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 23:59   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  9:02     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  6:38   ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-29  9:12     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-30 16:22       ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-08-01  8:51         ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-08-04  6:45           ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] mm, compaction: do not count compact_stall if all zones skipped compaction Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  0:04   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] mm, compaction: do not recheck suitable_migration_target under lock Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] mm, compaction: move pageblock checks up from isolate_migratepages_range() Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  0:29   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  9:27     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29 23:02       ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29 23:21         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-07-29 23:51           ` David Rientjes
2014-07-30  9:27             ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-30  9:39         ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] mm, compaction: reduce zone checking frequency in the migration scanner Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  0:44   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  9:31     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] mm, compaction: khugepaged should not give up due to need_resched() Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  0:59   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  9:45     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29 22:57       ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  6:53   ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-29  7:31     ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  8:27       ` Joonsoo Kim [this message]
2014-07-29  9:16         ` David Rientjes
2014-07-29  9:49       ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29 22:53         ` David Rientjes
2014-07-30  9:08           ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] mm, compaction: periodically drop lock and restore IRQs in scanners Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  1:03   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] mm, compaction: skip rechecks when lock was already held Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] mm, compaction: remember position within pageblock in free pages scanner Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] mm, compaction: skip buddy pages by their order in the migrate scanner Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  1:05   ` David Rientjes
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] mm: rename allocflags_to_migratetype for clarity Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] mm, compaction: pass gfp mask to compact_control Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-28 13:11 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] mm, compaction: try to capture the just-created high-order freepage Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-29  7:34   ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-29 15:34     ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-30  8:39       ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-30  9:56         ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-07-30 14:19           ` Joonsoo Kim
2014-07-30 15:05             ` Vlastimil Babka

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