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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: rusty@rustcorp.com.au, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	andi@firstfloor.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, linux@horizon.com,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	David Woodhouse <David.Woodhouse@intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 05/10] seqlock: Better document raw_write_seqcount_latch()
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 18:32:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150413163201.GC6040@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150413141213.492831596@infradead.org>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> +/**
>   * raw_write_seqcount_latch - redirect readers to even/odd copy
>   * @s: pointer to seqcount_t
> + *
> + * The latch technique is a multiversion concurrency control method that allows
> + * queries during non atomic modifications. If you can guarantee queries never
> + * interrupt the modification -- e.g. the concurrency is strictly between CPUs
> + * -- you most likely do not need this.

Speling nit:

 triton:~/tip> git grep -i 'non-atomic' | wc -l
 160
 triton:~/tip> git grep -i 'non atomic' | wc -l
 21

so I guess 'non-atomic' wins?

> + *
> + * Where the traditional RCU/lockless data structures rely on atomic
> + * modifications to ensure queries observe either the old or the new state the
> + * latch allows the same for non atomic updates. The trade-off is doubling the
> + * cost of storage; we have to maintain two copies of the entire data
> + * structure.

s/non atomic/non-atomic

> + * The query will have a form like:
> + *
> + * struct entry *latch_query(struct latch_struct *latch, ...)
> + * {
> + *	struct entry *entry;
> + *	unsigned seq, idx;
> + *
> + *	do {
> + *		seq = latch->seq;
> + *		smp_rmb();
> + *
> + *		idx = seq & 0x01;
> + *		entry = data_query(latch->data[idx], ...);
> + *
> + *		smp_rmb();
> + *	} while (seq != latch->seq);

Btw., I realize this is just a sample, but couldn't this be written 
more optimally as:

	do {
		seq = READ_ONCE(latch->seq);
		smp_read_barrier_depends();

		idx = seq & 0x01;
		entry = data_query(latch->data[idx], ...);

		smp_rmb();
	} while (seq != latch->seq);

Note that there's just a single smp_rmb() barrier: the READ_ONCE() is 
there to make sure GCC doesn't calculate 'idx' from two separate 
reads, but otherwise there's a direct data dependency on latch->seq so 
no smp_rmb() is needed, only a data dependency barrier when doing the 
first lookup AFAICS?

(This doesn't matter on x86 where smp_rmb() is barrier().)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-13 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 14:11 [PATCH v5 00/10] latched RB-trees and __module_address() Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] module: Sanitize RCU usage and locking Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 15:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] module: Annotate module version magic Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] module, jump_label: Fix module locking Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] rbtree: Make lockless searches non-fatal Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 15:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 19:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] seqlock: Better document raw_write_seqcount_latch() Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:32   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-04-13 17:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-04-13 17:43       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-13 18:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-13 18:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-14 10:25             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14 13:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-14 14:31                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14 15:11                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-13 19:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 19:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-14 10:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] rbtree: Implement generic latch_tree Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 19:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] module: Optimize __module_address() using a latched RB-tree Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] module: Make the mod_tree stuff conditional on PERF_EVENTS || TRACING Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] module: Use __module_address() for module_address_lookup() Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 14:11 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] module: Rework module_addr_{min,max} Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-13 16:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14  2:55     ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-14  6:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-14 12:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-14 13:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-13 17:02 ` [PATCH v5 00/10] latched RB-trees and __module_address() Ingo Molnar
2015-04-14  2:57 ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-14  6:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-15  4:41     ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-15  9:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-28  2:07     ` Rusty Russell
2015-05-28 11:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-28 23:49         ` Rusty Russell

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