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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mml@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/12] x86/mm: Enable and use the arch_pgd_init_late() method
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:13:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150614081352.GA3446@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150613174527.GA29379@redhat.com>


* Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 06/13, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > > * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Afaics, we need to ensure that:
> > > >
> > > > > +			if (pgd_val(*pgd_src))
> > > > > +				WRITE_ONCE(*pgd_dst, *pgd_src);
> > > >
> > > > either we notice the recent update of this PGD, or (say) the subsequent
> > > > sync_global_pgds() can miss the child.
> > > >
> > > > How the write barrier can help?
> > >
> > > So the real thing this pairs with is the earlier:
> > >
> > > 	tsk->mm = mm;
> > >
> > > plus the linking of the new task in the task list.
> > >
> > > _that_ write must become visible to others before we do the (conditional) copy
> > > ourselves.
> 
> Hmm. that write must be visible before we start to _read_ *pgd_src,
> afaics.
> 
> > > Granted, it happens quite a bit earlier, and the task linking's use of locking
> > > is a natural barrier - but since this is lockless I didn't want to leave a
> > > silent assumption in.
> 
> I agree,
> 
> > Ah, there's another detail I forgot. This might handle the fork case, but in
> > exec() we have:
> >
> >         tsk->mm = mm;
> >         arch_pgd_init_late(mm);
> 
> Yes, this too.
> 
> But wmb() can't help. At least we need the full mb() to serialize the
> STORE above (or list addition in copy_process) with the LOAD which
> reads *pgd_src.

True.

> Plus we need another mb() in sync_global_pgds(), say, before the main 
> for_each_process() loop.

True.

So since we have a spin_lock() there already, I tried to find the right primitive 
to turn it into a full memory barrier but gave up. Is there a simple primitive for 
that?

Also, since this is x86 specific code we could rely on the fact that 
spinlock-acquire is a full memory barrier?

> 
> it would be nice to make this more simple/clear somehow...

I'm afraid lockless is rarely simple, but I'm open to suggestions ...

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-14  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-11 14:07 [RFC PATCH 00/12] x86/mm: Implement lockless pgd_alloc()/pgd_free() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 01/12] x86/mm/pat: Don't free PGD entries on memory unmap Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 02/12] x86/mm/hotplug: Remove pgd_list use from the memory hotplug code Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 22:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-12 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2015-06-13  7:46     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 23:15   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-13  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 03/12] x86/mm/hotplug: Don't remove PGD entries in remove_pagetable() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 04/12] x86/mm/hotplug: Simplify sync_global_pgds() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 22:28   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-13  7:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm: Introduce arch_pgd_init_late() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 18:23   ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-12  8:16     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 21:12   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-13  6:54     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/mm: Enable and use the arch_pgd_init_late() method Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 20:04   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-06-12  8:19     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 22:50   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-12 22:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-13  6:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-13  6:47     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-13  6:52       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-13 17:45         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-14  8:13           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-06-14 20:54             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-14 22:10               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 07/12] x86/virt/guest/xen: Remove use of pgd_list from the Xen guest code Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 20:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-11 20:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-12  7:23       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <CA+55aFxXM=DN32JqNmJ=JoMum5OPnsRohCry-=2T=LabX2hzVQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-06-12  8:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-12 20:38             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-12 20:53               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-12 22:30                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-06-12 23:36                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-13  7:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-13 18:00                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 08/12] x86/mm: Remove pgd_list use from vmalloc_sync_all() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 15:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-11 15:49     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 16:10       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 09/12] x86/mm/pat/32: Remove pgd_list use from the PAT code Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86/mm: Make pgd_alloc()/pgd_free() lockless Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 11/12] x86/mm: Remove pgd_list leftovers Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:07 ` [PATCH 12/12] x86/mm: Simplify pgd_alloc() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 14:13 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] x86/mm: Implement lockless pgd_alloc()/pgd_free() Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 16:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-06-13  9:49 [PATCH 00/12, v2] " Ingo Molnar
2015-06-13  9:49 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/mm: Enable and use the arch_pgd_init_late() method Ingo Molnar

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