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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Vikas Shivappa <vikas.shivappa@intel.com>
Cc: "Auld, Will" <will.auld@intel.com>,
	Vikas Shivappa <vikas.shivappa@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"tj@kernel.org" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Fleming, Matt" <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	"Williamson, Glenn P" <glenn.p.williamson@intel.com>,
	"Juvva, Kanaka D" <kanaka.d.juvva@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/9] x86/intel_rdt: Cache Allocation documentation and cgroup usage guide
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:45:41 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150731144541.GB22948@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507301558160.921@vshiva-Udesk>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 04:03:07PM -0700, Vikas Shivappa wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:47:23AM -0700, Vikas Shivappa wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Marcello,
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >>>
> >>>How about this:
> >>>
> >>>desiredclos (closid  p1  p2  p3 p4)
> >>>	     1       1   0   0  0
> >>>	     2	     0	 0   0  1
> >>>	     3	     0   1   1  0
> >>
> >>#1 Currently in the rdt cgroup , the root cgroup always has all the
> >>bits set and cant be changed (because the cgroup hierarchy would by
> >>default make this to have all bits as all the children need to have
> >>a subset of the root's bitmask). So if the user creates a cgroup and
> >>not put any task in it , the tasks in the root cgroup could be still
> >>using that part of the cache. Thats the reason i say we can have
> >>really 'exclusive' masks.
> >>
> >>Or in other words - there is always a desired clos (0) which has all
> >>parts set which acts like a default pool.
> >>
> >>Also the parts can overlap.  Please apply this for all the below
> >>comments which will change the way they work.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>p means part.
> >>
> >>I am assuming p = (a contiguous cache capacity bit mask)
> >>
> >>>closid 1 is a exclusive cgroup.
> >>>closid 2 is a "cache hog" class.
> >>>closid 3 is "default closid".
> >>>
> >>>Desiredclos is what user has specified.
> >>>
> >>>Transition 1: desiredclos --> effectiveclos
> >>>Clean all bits of unused closid's
> >>>(that must be updated whenever a
> >>>closid1 cgroup goes from empty->nonempty
> >>>and vice-versa).
> >>>
> >>>effectiveclos (closid  p1  p2  p3 p4)
> >>>	       1       0   0   0  0
> >>>	       2       0   0   0  1
> >>>	       3       0   1   1  0
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Transition 2: effectiveclos --> expandedclos
> >>>expandedclos (closid  p1  p2  p3 p4)
> >>>	       1       0   0   0  0
> >>>	       2       0   0   0  1
> >>>	       3       1   1   1  0
> >>>Then you have different inplacecos for each
> >>>CPU (see pseudo-code below):
> >>>
> >>>On the following events.
> >>>
> >>>- task migration to new pCPU:
> >>>- task creation:
> >>>
> >>>	id = smp_processor_id();
> >>>	for (part = desiredclos.p1; ...; part++)
> >>>		/* if my cosid is set and any other
> >>>	   	   cosid is clear, for the part,
> >>>		   synchronize desiredclos --> inplacecos */
> >>>		if (part[mycosid] == 1 &&
> >>>		    part[any_othercosid] == 0)
> >>>			wrmsr(part, desiredclos);
> >>>
> >>
> >>Currently the root cgroup would have all the bits set which will act
> >>like a default cgroup where all the otherwise unused parts (assuming
> >>they are a set of contiguous cache capacity bits) will be used.
> >
> >Right, but we don't want to place tasks in there in case one cgroup
> >wants exclusive cache access.
> >
> >So whenever you want an exclusive cgroup you'd do:
> >
> >create cgroup-exclusive; reserve desired part of the cache
> >for it.
> >create cgroup-default; reserved all cache minus that of cgroup-exclusive
> >for it.
> >
> >place tasks that belong to cgroup-exclusive into it.
> >place all other tasks (including init) into cgroup-default.
> >
> >Is that right?
> 
> Yes you could do that.
> 
> You can create cgroups to have masks which are exclusive in todays
> implementation, just that you could also created more cgroups to
> overlap the masks again.. iow we dont have an exclusive flag for the
> cgroup mask.
> Is that a common use case in the server environment that you need to
> prevent other cgroups from using a certain mask ? (since the root
> user should control these allocations .. he should know?)

Yes, there are two known use-cases that have this characteristic:

1) High performance numeric application which has been optimized
to a certain fraction of the cache.

2) Low latency application in multi-application OS.

For both cases exclusive cache access is wanted.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-31 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-01 22:21 [PATCH V12 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86/intel_cqm: Modify hot cpu notification handling Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-31 23:19     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 2/9] x86/intel_rapl: Modify hot cpu notification handling for RAPL Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86/intel_rdt: Cache Allocation documentation and cgroup usage guide Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 14:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-04 20:41     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 23:15   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-29  0:06     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29  1:28       ` Auld, Will
2015-07-29 19:32         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-30 17:47           ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 20:08             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-31 15:34               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-02 15:48               ` Martin Kletzander
2015-08-03 15:13                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-03 18:22                   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 20:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-30 23:03               ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-31 14:45                 ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2015-07-31 16:41                   ` [summary] " Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-31 18:38                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-29 20:07         ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add support for Cache Allocation detection Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-28 22:07     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add new cgroup and Class of service management Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 17:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:01     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 17:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:10     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 19:44   ` Tejun Heo
2015-07-31 15:12     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-02 16:23       ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 20:32         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-04 12:55           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-04 18:36             ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 18:32           ` Tejun Heo
2015-07-31 16:24     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-02 16:31       ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 18:50         ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-04 19:03           ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-05  2:21             ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-05 15:46               ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-06 20:58                 ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-07 14:48                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-05 12:22         ` Matt Fleming
2015-08-05 16:10           ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-06  0:24           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-06 20:46             ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-07 13:15               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-18  0:20                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-21  0:06                   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-21  0:13                     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-22  2:28                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-23 18:47                       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-24 13:06                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add support for cache bit mask management Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-28 22:08     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 17:54     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 7/9] x86/intel_rdt: Implement scheduling support for Intel RDT Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 13:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:16     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 8/9] x86/intel_rdt: Hot cpu support for Cache Allocation Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 15:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-31 23:21     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86/intel_rdt: Intel haswell Cache Allocation enumeration Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 20:49     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:45     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-13 17:13 ` [PATCH V12 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-16 12:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 16:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 18:28   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-24 18:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 18:45       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-29 22:53       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-24 18:32   ` Vikas Shivappa
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-08-06 21:55 [PATCH V13 0/9] Intel cache allocation and Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-06 21:55 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86/intel_rdt: Cache Allocation documentation and cgroup usage guide Vikas Shivappa
2015-06-25 19:25 [PATCH V11 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm,rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-06-25 19:25 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86/intel_rdt: Cache Allocation documentation and cgroup usage guide Vikas Shivappa

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