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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Vikas Shivappa <vikas.shivappa@intel.com>,
	Vikas Shivappa <vikas.shivappa@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	matt.fleming@intel.com, will.auld@intel.com,
	glenn.p.williamson@intel.com, kanaka.d.juvva@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add new cgroup and Class of service management
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:24:04 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150806002404.GA24422@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150805122257.GD4332@codeblueprint.co.uk>

On Wed, Aug 05, 2015 at 01:22:57PM +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug, at 12:31:57PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > 
> > But we're doing it the wrong way around.  You can do most of what
> > cgroup interface can do with systemcall-like interface with some
> > inconvenience.  The other way doesn't really work.  As I wrote in the
> > other reply, cgroups is a horrible programmable interface and we don't
> > want individual applications to interact with it directly and CAT's
> > use cases most definitely include each application programming its own
> > cache mask.
> 
> I wager that this assertion is wrong. Having individual applications
> program their own cache mask is not going to be the most common
> scenario. 

What i like about the syscall interface is that it moves the knowledge
of cache behaviour close to the application launching (or inside it),
which allows the following common scenario, say on a multi purpose
desktop:

Event: launch high performance application: use cache reservation, finish
quickly.
Event: cache hog application: do not thrash the cache.

The two cache reservations are logically unrelated in terms of
configuration, and configured separately do not affect each other.

They should be configured separately.

Also, data/code reservation is specific to the application, so it
should its specification should be close to the application (its just
cumbersome to maintain that data somewhere else).

> Only in very specific situations would you trust an
> application to do that.

Perhaps ulimit can be used to allow a certain limit on applications.

> A much more likely use case is having the sysadmin carve up the cache
> for a workload which may include multiple, uncooperating applications.

Sorry, what cooperating means in this context?

> Yes, a programmable interface would be useful, but only for a limited
> set of workloads. I don't think it's how most people are going to want
> to use this hardware technology.

It seems syscall interface handles all usecases which the cgroup
interface handles.

> -- 
> Matt Fleming, Intel Open Source Technology Center

Tentative interface, please comment.

The "return key/use key" scheme would allow COSid sharing similarly to
shmget. Intra-application, that is functional, but i am not experienced
with shmget to judge whether there is a better alternative. Would have
to think how cross-application setup would work,
and in the simple "cacheset" configuration.
Also, the interface should work for other architectures (TODO item, PPC
at least has similar functionality).

enum cache_rsvt_flags {
   CACHE_RSVT_ROUND_UP   =      (1 << 0),    /* round "bytes" up */
   CACHE_RSVT_ROUND_DOWN =      (1 << 1),    /* round "bytes" down */
   CACHE_RSVT_EXTAGENTS  =      (1 << 2),    /* allow usage of area common with external agents */
};

enum cache_rsvt_type {
   CACHE_RSVT_TYPE_CODE = 0,      /* cache reservation is for code */
   CACHE_RSVT_TYPE_DATA,          /* cache reservation is for data */
   CACHE_RSVT_TYPE_BOTH,          /* cache reservation is for code and data */
};

struct cache_reservation {
        size_t kbytes;
        u32 type;
        u32 flags;
};

int sys_cache_reservation(struct cache_reservation *cv);

returns -ENOMEM if not enough space, -EPERM if no permission.
returns keyid > 0 if reservation has been successful, copying actual
number of kbytes reserved to "kbytes".

-----------------

int sys_use_cache_reservation_key(struct cache_reservation *cv, int
key);

returns -EPERM if no permission.
returns -EINVAL if no such key exists.
returns 0 if instantiation of reservation has been successful,
copying actual reservation to cv.

Backward compatibility for processors with no support for code/data
differentiation: by default code and data cache allocation types
fallback to CACHE_RSVT_TYPE_BOTH on older processors (and return the
information that they done so via "flags").



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-06  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-01 22:21 [PATCH V12 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86/intel_cqm: Modify hot cpu notification handling Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-31 23:19     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 2/9] x86/intel_rapl: Modify hot cpu notification handling for RAPL Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86/intel_rdt: Cache Allocation documentation and cgroup usage guide Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 14:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-04 20:41     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 23:15   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-29  0:06     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29  1:28       ` Auld, Will
2015-07-29 19:32         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-30 17:47           ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 20:08             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-31 15:34               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-02 15:48               ` Martin Kletzander
2015-08-03 15:13                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-03 18:22                   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 20:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-30 23:03               ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-31 14:45                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-31 16:41                   ` [summary] " Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-31 18:38                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-29 20:07         ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add support for Cache Allocation detection Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-28 22:07     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add new cgroup and Class of service management Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 17:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:01     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 17:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:10     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-30 19:44   ` Tejun Heo
2015-07-31 15:12     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-02 16:23       ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 20:32         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-04 12:55           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-04 18:36             ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 18:32           ` Tejun Heo
2015-07-31 16:24     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-02 16:31       ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 18:50         ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-04 19:03           ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-05  2:21             ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-05 15:46               ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-06 20:58                 ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-07 14:48                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-05 12:22         ` Matt Fleming
2015-08-05 16:10           ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-06  0:24           ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2015-08-06 20:46             ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-07 13:15               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-18  0:20                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-21  0:06                   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-21  0:13                     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-22  2:28                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-08-23 18:47                       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-24 13:06                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add support for cache bit mask management Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-28 22:08     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-28 16:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 17:54     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 7/9] x86/intel_rdt: Implement scheduling support for Intel RDT Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 13:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:16     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 8/9] x86/intel_rdt: Hot cpu support for Cache Allocation Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 15:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-31 23:21     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-01 22:21 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86/intel_rdt: Intel haswell Cache Allocation enumeration Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-03 20:49     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-30 18:45     ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-13 17:13 ` [PATCH V12 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-16 12:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 16:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 18:28   ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-24 18:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-24 18:45       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-29 16:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-29 22:53       ` Vikas Shivappa
2015-07-24 18:32   ` Vikas Shivappa
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-08-06 21:55 [PATCH V13 0/9] Intel cache allocation and Hot cpu handling changes to cqm, rapl Vikas Shivappa
2015-08-06 21:55 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add new cgroup and Class of service management Vikas Shivappa
2015-06-25 19:25 [PATCH V11 0/9] Hot cpu handling changes to cqm,rapl and Intel Cache Allocation support Vikas Shivappa
2015-06-25 19:25 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86/intel_rdt: Add new cgroup and Class of service management Vikas Shivappa

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