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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@gmail.com>,
	Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>,
	Chris J Arges <chris.j.arges@canonical.com>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 03/20] x86/stackvalidate: Compile-time stack validation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:17:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150822091715.GA18233@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150821133207.GB14134@treble.redhat.com>


* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 09:54:49AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > +Why do we need stack validation?
> > > +--------------------------------
> > > +
> > > +Here are some of the benefits of validating stack metadata:
> > > +
> > > +a) More reliable stack traces for frame pointer enabled kernels
> > > +
> > > +   Frame pointers are used for debugging purposes.  They allow runtime
> > > +   code and debug tools to be able to walk the stack to determine the
> > > +   chain of function call sites that led to the currently executing
> > > +   code.
> > > +
> > > +   For some architectures, frame pointers are enabled by
> > > +   CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER.  For some other architectures they may be
> > > +   required by the ABI (sometimes referred to as "backchain pointers").
> > > +
> > > +   For C code, gcc automatically generates instructions for setting up
> > > +   frame pointers when the -fno-omit-frame-pointer option is used.
> > > +
> > > +   But for asm code, the frame setup instructions have to be written by
> > > +   hand, which most people don't do.  So the end result is that
> > > +   CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER is honored for C code but not for most asm code.
> > > +
> > > +   For stack traces based on frame pointers to be reliable, all
> > > +   functions which call other functions must first create a stack frame
> > > +   and update the frame pointer.  If a first function doesn't properly
> > > +   create a stack frame before calling a second function, the *caller*
> > > +   of the first function will be skipped on the stack trace.
> > > +
> > > +   The benefit of stackvalidate here is that it ensures that *all*
> > > +   functions honor CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER.  As a result, no functions will
> > > +   ever [*] be skipped on a stack trace.
> > > +
> > > +   [*] unless an interrupt or exception has occurred at the very
> > > +       beginning of a function before the stack frame has been created,
> > > +       or at the very end of the function after the stack frame has been
> > > +       destroyed.  This is an inherent limitation of frame pointers.
> > 
> > What this section does not point out is the actual effects of missing frame 
> > pointer annotations. I.e. how about quoting a before/after stack backtrace to 
> > demonstrate it?
> 
> How about this (on top of the last one):
> 
> ---8<---
> 
> From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> Subject: [PATCH] stackvalidate: Add missing frame pointer example
> 
> Signed-off-by: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/stack-validation.txt | 37 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/stack-validation.txt b/Documentation/stack-validation.txt
> index 94dad40..87a5ab8 100644
> --- a/Documentation/stack-validation.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/stack-validation.txt
> @@ -53,9 +53,40 @@ a) More reliable stack traces for frame pointer enabled kernels
>     create a stack frame before calling a second function, the *caller*
>     of the first function will be skipped on the stack trace.
>  
> -   The benefit of stackvalidate here is that it ensures that *all*
> -   functions honor CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER.  As a result, no functions will
> -   ever [*] be skipped on a stack trace.
> +   For example, consider the following example backtrace with frame
> +   pointers enabled:
> +
> +     [<ffffffff81812584>] dump_stack+0x4b/0x63
> +     [<ffffffff812d6dc2>] cmdline_proc_show+0x12/0x30
> +     [<ffffffff8127f568>] seq_read+0x108/0x3e0
> +     [<ffffffff812cce62>] proc_reg_read+0x42/0x70
> +     [<ffffffff81256197>] __vfs_read+0x37/0x100
> +     [<ffffffff81256b16>] vfs_read+0x86/0x130
> +     [<ffffffff81257898>] SyS_read+0x58/0xd0
> +     [<ffffffff8181c1f2>] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x76
> +
> +   It correctly shows that the caller of cmdline_proc_show() is
> +   seq_read().
> +
> +   If we remove the frame pointer logic from cmdline_proc_show() by
> +   replacing the frame pointer related instructions with nops, here's
> +   what it looks like instead:
> +
> +     [<ffffffff81812584>] dump_stack+0x4b/0x63
> +     [<ffffffff812d6dc2>] cmdline_proc_show+0x12/0x30
> +     [<ffffffff812cce62>] proc_reg_read+0x42/0x70
> +     [<ffffffff81256197>] __vfs_read+0x37/0x100
> +     [<ffffffff81256b16>] vfs_read+0x86/0x130
> +     [<ffffffff81257898>] SyS_read+0x58/0xd0
> +     [<ffffffff8181c1f2>] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x76
> +
> +   Notice that cmdline_proc_show()'s caller, seq_read(), has been
> +   skipped.  Instead the stack trace seems to show that
> +   cmdline_proc_show() was called by proc_reg_read().
> +
> +   The benefit of stackvalidate here is that because it ensures that
> +   *all* functions honor CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER, no functions will ever[*]
> +   be skipped on a stack trace.

Ok, this sounds good to me!

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-22  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-14  3:10 [PATCH v10 00/20] " Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 01/20] x86/asm: Frame pointer macro cleanup Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 02/20] x86/asm: Add C versions of frame pointer macros Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 03/20] x86/stackvalidate: Compile-time stack validation Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-15  7:23   ` Andrew Morton
2015-08-15 12:49     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-19 10:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-20  4:00         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-21  7:54           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-21 13:32             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-22  9:17               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 04/20] x86/stackvalidate: Add file and directory ignores Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 05/20] x86/stackvalidate: Add ignore macros Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 06/20] x86/xen: Add stack frame dependency to hypercall inline asm calls Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 07/20] x86/paravirt: Add stack frame dependency to PVOP " Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 08/20] x86/paravirt: Create a stack frame in PV_CALLEE_SAVE_REGS_THUNK Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 09/20] x86/amd: Set ELF function type for vide() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 10/20] x86/reboot: Add ljmp instructions to stackvalidate whitelist Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 11/20] x86/xen: Add xen_cpuid() and xen_setup_gdt() to stackvalidate whitelists Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 12/20] x86/asm/crypto: Create stack frames in aesni-intel_asm.S Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 13/20] x86/asm/crypto: Move .Lbswap_mask data to .rodata section Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 14/20] x86/asm/crypto: Move jump_table " Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 15/20] x86/asm/crypto: Create stack frames in clmul_ghash_mul/update() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 16/20] x86/asm/entry: Create stack frames in thunk functions Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 17/20] x86/asm/acpi: Create a stack frame in do_suspend_lowlevel() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 18/20] x86/asm: Create stack frames in rwsem functions Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 19/20] x86/asm/efi: Create a stack frame in efi_call() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  9:11   ` Matt Fleming
2015-08-14 14:07     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-08-14  3:10 ` [PATCH v10 20/20] x86/asm/power: Create stack frames in hibernate_asm_64.S Josh Poimboeuf

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