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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] printk/nmi: Increase the size of NMI buffer and make it configurable
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:38:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151217143858.447b5fe79aaa5ed7b2328d67@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151215142621.GE3729@pathway.suse.cz>

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:26:21 +0100 Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:

> > OK, thanks.  So "not needed at present, might be needed in the future,
> > useful for out-of-tree debug code"?
> 
> It is possible that I got it a wrong way on arm. The NMI buffer is
> usable there on two locations.
> 
> First, the temporary is currently used to handle IPI_CPU_BACKTRACE.
> It seems that it is not a real NMI. But it seems to be available
> (compiled) on all arm system. This is why I introduced NEED_PRINTK_NMI
> Kconfig flag to avoid confusion with a real NMI.
> 
> Second, there is the FIQ "NMI" handler that is called from
> /arch/arm/kernel/entry-armv.S. It is compiled only if _not_
> defined $(CONFIG_CPU_V7M). It calls nmi_enter() and nmi_stop().
> It looks like a real NMI handler. This is why I defined HAVE_NMI
> if (!CPU_V7M).
> 
> A solution would be to define HAVE_NMI on all Arm systems and get rid
> of NEED_PRINTK_NMI. If you think that it would cause less confusion...

So does this mean that the patch will be updated?

> 
> > > there's this effort to apply further cleanups - to me, the changelogs
> > > don't seem to make that much sense, unless we want to start using
> > > printk() extensively in NMI functions - using the generic nmi backtrace
> > > code surely gets us something that works across all architectures...
> > 
> > Yes, I was scratching my head over that.  The patchset takes an nmi-safe
> > all-cpu-backtrace and generalises that into an nmi-safe printk.  That
> > *sounds* like a good thing to do but yes, some additional justification
> > would be helpful.  What real-world value does this patchset really
> > bring to real-world users?
> 
> The patchset brings two big advantages. First, it makes the NMI
> backtraces safe on all architectures for free. Second, it makes
> all NMI messages almost[*] safe on all architectures.
> 
> Note that there already are several messages printed in NMI context.
> See the mail from Jiri Kosina. They are not easy to avoid.
> 
> [*] The temporary buffer is limited. We still should keep
> the number of messages in NMI context at minimum.

This is important info - in fact a paragraph which starts with "The
patchset brings two big advantages" is *the most* important info.  I
added the below text to the [1/n] changelog:

: The patchset brings two big advantages.  First, it makes the NMI
: backtraces safe on all architectures for free.  Second, it makes all NMI
: messages almost safe on all architectures (the temporary buffer is
: limited.  We still should keep the number of messages in NMI context at
: minimum).
: 
: Note that there already are several messages printed in NMI context:
: WARN_ON(in_nmi()), BUG_ON(in_nmi()), anything being printed out from MCE
: handlers.  These are not easy to avoid.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-17 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-09 13:21 [PATCH v3 0/4] Cleaning printk stuff in NMI context Petr Mladek
2015-12-09 13:21 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] printk/nmi: Generic solution for safe printk in NMI Petr Mladek
2015-12-09 23:50   ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-10 15:26     ` Petr Mladek
2015-12-09 13:21 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] printk/nmi: Use IRQ work only when ready Petr Mladek
2015-12-09 13:21 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] printk/nmi: Warn when some message has been lost in NMI context Petr Mladek
2015-12-09 13:21 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] printk/nmi: Increase the size of NMI buffer and make it configurable Petr Mladek
2015-12-11 11:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-11 12:41     ` Petr Mladek
2015-12-11 12:47       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-11 12:50       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-11 22:57       ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-11 23:21         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-11 23:26           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-12-18 10:18             ` Daniel Thompson
2015-12-18 11:29               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-18 12:11                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-18 23:03                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 14:52               ` Petr Mladek
2015-12-18 17:00                 ` Daniel Thompson
2016-03-01 14:04                   ` Daniel Thompson
2015-12-11 23:30           ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-15 14:26             ` Petr Mladek
2015-12-17 22:38               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2015-12-18 16:18                 ` Petr Mladek
2015-12-14 10:28           ` Daniel Thompson

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