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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	Chris J Arges <chris.j.arges@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] livepatch: add (un)patch hooks
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:04:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170720170412.amkpdaqx57jwo2ux@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170720155004.GB13895@pathway.suse.cz>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 05:50:04PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Wed 2017-07-19 23:17:23, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> >   - patching otherwise unpatchable code (i.e., assembly)
> > 
> >   In many/most cases, it seems like stop_machine() would be very useful
> >   to avoid concurrency issues.
> 
> I am not sure if stop_machine() would help here. It would make sense
> in kPatch where also the ftrace handlers are added during
> stop_machine(). Then it is possible to synchronize both operations
> (hooks, enabling ftrace handlers) and do everything "atomically".
> 
> IMHO, the big advantage of livepatch framework is that stop_machine()
> is not needed. I hope that it will stay this way.
> 
> Also it might need some additional support. You would want to stop
> the machine to make sure that it is safe to do a change. Then
> we might need to check stacks, ...

Don't worry.  I much prefer our current consistency model to kpatch, and
I have no intention of changing it :-)

That said, for the hooks, I still think stop_machine() will be helpful
in some cases where you need to ensure no other code is running.  Like
the stack_segment patch I posted, for example.

Anyway I'm not suggesting we do the stop_machine() in livepatch code
itself.  I'm just hoping it will work from a hook, in case the patch
author needs to do it as a last resort.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-20 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-12 14:09 [PATCH] livepatch hooks, revisted Joe Lawrence
2017-07-12 14:10 ` [PATCH] livepatch: add (un)patch hooks Joe Lawrence
2017-07-14  1:46   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-14 13:23     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-07-14 13:46       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 11:10         ` Miroslav Benes
2017-07-18 11:15     ` Miroslav Benes
2017-07-19  2:08       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-19 15:29         ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-19 19:11         ` Miroslav Benes
2017-07-17 15:51   ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-19 18:59     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-07-20 14:36       ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-19 20:49     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20  4:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20  4:20         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20  4:30         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20 15:50         ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-20 17:04           ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2017-07-27 20:43         ` Joe Lawrence
2017-07-27 21:36           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-28 18:08             ` Joe Lawrence
2017-07-28 18:29               ` Josh Poimboeuf

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