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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Levin, Alexander (Sasha Levin)" <alexander.levin@verizon.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"live-patching@vger.kernel.org" <live-patching@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] x86/unwind: add ORC unwinder
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:39:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170810143910.y2wlb3btm5o2hxts@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b3ed30d4-9c6d-ae91-b876-486f18d638f3@suse.com>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 04:24:58PM +0200, Juergen Gross wrote:
> >> I'll send some patches to:
> >>
> >> - remove xen_patch()
> >> - remove lguest
> >> - remove vsmp
> >>
> >> In case nobody objects to apply those patches we can possibly simplify
> >> some more code.
> >>
> >> I'd love that. :-)
> > 
> > Well, I might have spoken too soon about getting rid of vsmp.  The
> > scalemp.com domain still exists.  The code hasn't changed much in three
> > years, but maybe it's simple enough that it hasn't needed to change.
> 
> Lets see. I have made the experience that asking whether some code can
> be removed almost never get answers. Sending a patch which actually
> removes the stuff results much more often in objections. :-)
> 
> > Also, looking at the lguest mailing list, there seem to have been at
> > least a few people trying lguest out in the past year or so.
> 
> Well, yes. The question is here whether there is a _need_ for lguest
> or was it just out of curiosity?
> 
> In the end it is 32 bit only and you can easily test boot code via
> KVM, Xen or qemu.

Good points.  I'm all for removing code, so you have no objections from
me :-)

> > Even if we couldn't get rid of vsmp or lguest, I wonder if the PVOP_CALL
> > stuff could be reworked to something like the following:
> > 
> > static inline notrace unsigned long arch_local_save_flags(void)
> > {
> > 	return PVOP_CALLEE0(unsigned long, pv_irq_ops.save_fl,
> > 			    "pushfq; popq %rax", CPU_FEATURE_NATIVE,
> > 			    "call __raw_callee_save_xen_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_XEN,
> > 			    "call __raw_callee_save_vsmp_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_VSMP,
> > 			    "call __raw_callee_save_lguest_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_LGUEST);
> > } 
> > 
> > Which would eventually translate to something like:
> > 
> > asm volatile(ALTERNATIVE_4("call *pv_irq_ops.save_fl",
> > 			   "pushfq; popq %rax", CPU_FEATURE_NATIVE,
> > 			   "call __raw_callee_save_xen_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_XEN,
> > 			   "call __raw_callee_save_vsmp_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_VSMP,
> > 			   "call __raw_callee_save_lguest_save_fl", CPU_FEATURE_LGUEST
> > 			   : ... pvop clobber stuff ... );
> > 
> > where ALTERNATIVE_4 is a logical extension of ALTERNATIVE_2 and
> > CPU_FEATURE_NATIVE would always be set.
> > 
> > It might need some more macro magic, but if it worked I think it would
> > be a lot clearer than the current voodoo.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> Hmm, this would modify the current approach of pvops completely: instead
> of letting each user of pvops (xen, lguest, vsmp, ...) set the functions
> it is needing, you'd have to modify the core definition of each pvops
> function for each user.

Right.  The callers (arch_local_save_flags, etc) would have to know
about the different hypervisors' functions.  But this knowledge could be
hidden in inline functions and/or macros, so I don't see it being too
much of a problem.

The upsides are that the behavior is much clearer (IMO), and we could
get rid of the .parainstructions stuff altogether.

> Or would you want to let Xen, lguest etc. opt in
> for pvops and generate above code at build time from some templates?

I'm not sure what you mean, can you clarify?

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-10 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-24 23:36 [PATCH v4 0/2] " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-24 23:36 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] x86/unwind: add " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-26 12:10   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/unwind: Add the " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-28 16:48   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] x86/unwind: add " Levin, Alexander (Sasha Levin)
2017-07-28 17:52     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-28 18:29       ` Levin, Alexander (Sasha Levin)
2017-07-28 18:57         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-28 19:59           ` Levin, Alexander (Sasha Levin)
2017-07-29  3:54             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-08 18:58               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-08 19:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-08 19:13                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-08 20:09                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-08-08 22:00                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-09  8:49                       ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-09  9:16                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-09  9:24                           ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-09  9:35                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-09  9:55                               ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-09 20:15                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-10  7:05                                   ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-10 14:09                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-10 14:24                                       ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-10 14:39                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2017-08-10 14:59                                           ` Juergen Gross
2017-08-10 15:49                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-10 14:42                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-09 16:11                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-08-09 17:52                           ` Juergen Gross
2017-09-27 21:08                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-09-28  6:03                         ` Juergen Gross
2017-09-28 13:55                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-09-28 13:58                             ` Juergen Gross
2017-07-24 23:36 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] x86/kconfig: make it easier to switch to the new " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-25  9:10   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-25 13:54     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-26 12:11       ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/kconfig: Consolidate unwinders into multiple choice selection tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-26 12:10   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/kconfig: Make it easier to switch to the new ORC unwinder tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf

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