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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Provide GP ordering in face of migrations and delays
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:18:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171006191822.GI3521@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171006090723.qbcea5xnwpngrcxi@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 11:07:23AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:22:04AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Hmmm...  Here is what I was worried about:
> > 
> > 	C C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05
> > 
> > 	{
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P0(int *a, int *x)
> > 	{
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*a, 1);
> > 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P1(int *x, int *y, spinlock_t *l)
> > 	{
> > 		r3 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> > 		spin_lock(l); /* Locking in complete(). */
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > 		spin_unlock(l);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P2(int *y, int *b, spinlock_t *l)
> > 	{
> > 		spin_lock(l); /* Locking in wait_for_completion. */
> > 		r4 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > 		spin_unlock(l);
> > 		r1 = READ_ONCE(*b);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P3(int *b, int *a)
> > 	{
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*b, 1);
> > 		smp_mb();
> > 		r2 = READ_ONCE(*a);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	exists (1:r3=1 /\ 2:r4=1 /\ 2:r1=0 /\ 3:r2=0)
> 
> /me goes and install this herd thing again.. I'm sure I had it running
> _somewhere_.. A well.
> 
> 	C C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05
> 
> 	{
> 	}
> 
> 	P0(int *a, int *x)
> 	{
> 		WRITE_ONCE(*a, 1);
> 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> 		WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> 	}
> 
> 	P1(int *x, int *y)
> 	{
> 		r3 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> 		smp_store_release(y, 1);
> 	}
> 
> 	P2(int *y, int *b)
> 	{
> 		r4 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> 		r1 = READ_ONCE(*b);
> 	}
> 
> 	P3(int *b, int *a)
> 	{
> 		WRITE_ONCE(*b, 1);
> 		smp_mb();
> 		r2 = READ_ONCE(*a);
> 	}
> 
> 	exists (1:r3=1 /\ 2:r4=1 /\ 2:r1=0 /\ 3:r2=0)
> 
> 
> Is what I was thinking of, I think that is the minimal ordering
> complete()/wait_for_completion() need to provide.

OK, I will bite...  What do the smp_store_release() and the
smp_load_acquire() correspond to?  I see just plain locking in
wait_for_completion() and complete().

> (also, that r# numbering confuses the hell out of me, its not related to
> P nor to the variables)

Yeah, it is random, sorry!!!

> Test C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05 Allowed
> States 15
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=0; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=0; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=0; 3:r2=1;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=0;
> 1:r3=1; 2:r1=1; 2:r4=1; 3:r2=1;
> No
> Witnesses
> Positive: 0 Negative: 15
> Condition exists (1:r3=1 /\ 2:r4=1 /\ 2:r1=0 /\ 3:r2=0)
> Observation C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05 Never 0 15
> Time C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05 0.04
> Hash=f7f8ad6eab33e90718a394bcb021557d

But yes, looking closer, this corresponds to the rule of thumb about
non-rf relations and full memory barriers.  We have two non-rf relations
(P2->P3 and P3->P0), so we need two full barriers, one each between the
non-rf relations.

So I dropped that patch yesterday.  The main thing I was missing was
that there is no ordering-free fastpath in wait_for_completion() and
complete(): Each unconditionally acquires the lock.  So the smp_mb()
that I was trying to add doesn't need to be there.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-06 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-04 21:29 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/9] Miscellaneous fixes for v4.15 Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Provide GP ordering in face of migrations and delays Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05  9:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 14:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 16:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 16:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 18:22             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-06  9:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-06 19:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-10-06 20:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-07  3:31                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-07  9:29                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-07 18:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-09  8:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-09 14:37                             ` Andrea Parri
2017-10-09 23:15                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 13:17   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-10-05 13:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 14:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/9] rcu: Fix up pending cbs check in rcu_prepare_for_idle Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Create call_rcu_tasks() kthread at boot time Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/9] irq_work: Map irq_work_on_queue() to irq_work_on() in !SMP Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/9] srcu: Add parameters to SRCU docbook comments Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/9] sched: Make resched_cpu() unconditional Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 7/9] rcu: Pretend ->boost_mtx acquired legitimately Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 15:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 8/9] rcu: Add extended-quiescent-state testing advice Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 9/9] rcu/segcblist: Include rcupdate.h Paul E. McKenney

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