From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>, Albert Ou <albert@sifive.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] riscv/locking: Strengthen spin_lock() and spin_unlock()
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:24:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180226162426.GB17158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwu5jat5vV-d6RVaUFo=Bjeyv-7eXWUJySg6xFUTnfbWQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 08:06:59AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr> wrote:
> >
> > That is, locks are not implemented from more basic primitive but are specified.
> > The specification can be described as behaving that way:
> > - A lock behaves as a read-modify-write. the read behaving as a read-acquire
>
> This is wrong, or perhaps just misleading.
>
> The *whole* r-m-w acts as an acquire. Not just the read part. The
> write is very much part of it.
>
> Maybe that's what you meant, but it read to me as "just the read part
> of the rmw behaves as a read-acquire".
>
> Because it is very important that the _write_ part of the rmw is also
> ordered wrt everything that is inside the spinlock.
>
> So doing a spinlock as
>
> (a) read-locked-acquire
> modify
> (c) write-conditional
>
> would be wrong, because the accesses inside the spinlock are ordered
> not just wrt the read-acquire, they have to be ordered wrt the write
> too.
>
> So it is closer to say that it's the _write_ of the r-m-w sequence
> that has the acquire semantics, not the read.
Strictly speaking, that's not what we've got implemented on arm64: only
the read part of the RmW has Acquire semantics, but there is a total
order on the lock/unlock operations for the lock. For example, if one
CPU does:
spin_lock(&lock);
WRITE_ONCE(foo, 42);
then another CPU could do:
if (smp_load_acquire(&foo) == 42)
BUG_ON(!spin_is_locked(&lock));
and that could fire. Is that relied on somewhere?
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-26 16:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-22 12:19 Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 12:44 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 13:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 14:12 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-22 17:27 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 18:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 18:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 19:47 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-23 11:16 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-26 10:39 ` Will Deacon
2018-02-26 14:21 ` Luc Maranget
2018-02-26 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 16:24 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-02-26 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 17:10 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-06 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-27 5:06 ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-27 10:16 ` Boqun Feng
2018-03-01 15:11 ` Andrea Parri
2018-03-01 21:54 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-03-01 22:21 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-02-22 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-22 18:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
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