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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: will.deacon@arm.com, mingo@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking/qspinlock: Optimize for x86
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 09:29:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180927072952.GB7455@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180926175418.GB5254@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 07:54:18PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:30:36PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> > On 09/26/2018 07:01 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On x86 we cannot do fetch_or with a single instruction and end up
> > > using a cmpxchg loop, this reduces determinism. Replace the fetch_or
> > > with a very tricky composite xchg8 + load.
> > >
> > > The basic idea is that we use xchg8 to test-and-set the pending bit
> > > (when it is a byte) and then a load to fetch the whole word. Using
> > > two instructions of course opens a window we previously did not have.
> > > In particular the ordering between pending and tail is of interrest,
> > > because that is where the split happens.
> > >
> > > The claim is that if we order them, it all works out just fine. There
> > > are two specific cases where the pending,tail state changes:
> > >
> > >  - when the 3rd lock(er) comes in and finds pending set, it'll queue
> > >    and set tail; since we set tail while pending is set, the ordering
> > >    is split is not important (and not fundamentally different form
> > >    fetch_or). [*]
> > 
> > The split can cause some changes in behavior. The 3rd locker observes
> > the pending bit and set tail. The split load of the 2nd locker may make
> > it observe the tail and backout of the pending loop. As a result, the
> > 2nd locker will acquire the lock after the third locker in this case.
> > That won't happen with the original code.
> > 
> > I am not saying this is a problem. It is just something we should take
> > note on.
> 
> Right, good one. Yes that can happen.

I think I remember why I 'discounted' that scenario; the same can happen
with the fetch_or() but in a timing scenario.

Consider:

  CPU 0		CPU 1		CPU 2		CPU 3

  lock (->0,0,1)
		lock
		  trylock (fail)
		  tas-pending (->0,1,1)
		  wait-!locked
				lock
				  trylock (fail)
				  tas-pending (fail)
  unlock (->0,1,0)
		  acquire (->0,0,1)
						lock
						  trylock (fail)
				  (A) xchg-tail
						  tas-pending -> (x,1,1)
				  (B) xchg-tail

And then, depending on A/B x is either 0 or !0.

So the ordering of the concurrent lock attempts is always (obviously)
subject to timing, the split xchg-load thing just makes it 'worse'.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-27  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-26 11:01 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] locking/qspinlock: Improve determinism " Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking/qspinlock: Re-order code Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-01 17:17   ` Will Deacon
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] locking/qspinlock: Rework some comments Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-01 17:17   ` Will Deacon
2018-10-01 19:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:20       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-02 13:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 11:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking/qspinlock: Optimize for x86 Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 16:30   ` Waiman Long
2018-09-26 17:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27  7:29       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-09-26 20:52   ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27  7:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27  7:47       ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27  7:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27  8:13           ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-27  8:57             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-27 12:16   ` David Laight
2018-10-01 17:17   ` Will Deacon
2018-10-01 20:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 13:19       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-02 14:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-02 12:31     ` Andrea Parri
2018-10-02 13:22       ` Will Deacon
2018-10-02 13:44         ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-26 15:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] locking/qspinlock: Improve determinism " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2018-09-26 15:08   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-26 15:38     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2018-09-26 16:20 ` Waiman Long
2018-09-26 17:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-26 23:21     ` Waiman Long

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