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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, mbenes@suse.cz,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/13] objtool: Remove CFI save/restore special case
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:02:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200330200254.GV20713@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200330190205.k5ssixd5hpshpjjq@treble>

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 02:02:05PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 07:02:00PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Subject: objtool: Implement RET_TAIL hint
> > 
> > This replaces the SAVE/RESTORE hints with a RET_TAIL hint that applies to:
> > 
> >  - regular RETURN and sibling calls (which are also function exists)
> >    it allows the stack-frame to be off by one word, ie. it allows a
> >    return-tail-call.
> > 
> >  - EXCEPTION_RETURN (a new INSN_type that splits IRET out of
> >    CONTEXT_SWITCH) and here it denotes a return to self by having it
> >    consume arch_exception_frame_size bytes off the stack and continuing.
> > 
> > Apply this hint to ftrace_64.S and sync_core(), the two existing users
> > of the SAVE/RESTORE hints.
> > 
> > For ftrace_64.S we split the return path and make sure the
> > ftrace_epilogue call is seen as a sibling/tail-call turning it into it's
> > own function.
> > 
> > By splitting the return path every instruction has a unique stack setup
> > and ORC can generate correct unwinds (XXX check if/how the ftrace
> > trampolines map into the ORC). Then employ the RET_TAIL hint to the
> > tail-call exit that has the direct-call (orig_eax) return-tail-call on.
> > 
> > For sync_core() annotate the IRET with RET_TAIL to mark it as a
> > control-flow NOP that consumes the exception frame.
> 
> I do like the idea to get rid of SAVE/RESTORE altogether.  And it's nice
> to make that ftrace code unwinder-deterministic.
> 
> However sync_core() and ftrace_regs_caller() are very different from
> each other and I find the RET_TAIL hint usage to be extremely confusing.

I was going with the pattern:

	push target
	ret

which is an indirect tail-call that doesn't need a register. We use it
in various places. We use it here exactly because it preserves all
registers, but we use it in function-graph tracer and retprobes to
insert the return handler. But also in retpoline, because it uses the
return stack predictor, which by happy accident isn't the indirect
branch predictor.

> For example, IRETQ isn't even a tail cail.

It's the same indirect call, except with a bigger frame ;-)

	push # ss
	push # rsp
	push # flags
	push # cs
	push # ip
	iret

> And the need for the hint to come *before* the insn which changes the
> state is different from the other hints.

makes sense to me... but yah.

> And now objtool has to know the arch exception stack size because of a
> single code site.

Agreed.

> And for a proper tail call, the stack should be empty. 

All depends what you call proper :-)

> I don't
> understand the +8 thing in has_modified_stack_frame().

	push target
	ret

means we hit ret with one extra word on the stack.

> It seems
> hard-coded for the weird ftrace case, rather than for tail calls in
> general (which should already work as designed).

Like I said, we have it all over the place, but I suspect they're all
mostly hidden from objtool.

> How about a more general hint like UNWIND_HINT_ADJUST?
> 
> For sync_core(), after the IRETQ:
> 
>   UNWIND_HINT_ADJUST sp_add=40
> 
> And ftrace_regs_caller_ret could have:
> 
>   UNWIND_HINT_ADJUST sp_add=8

I like, I'll make it happen in the morning.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-30 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-25 17:45 [PATCH v4 00/13] objtool: vmlinux.o and moinstr validation Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] objtool: Remove CFI save/restore special case Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-26 11:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-26 12:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-26 13:44       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-26 15:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-27  4:19           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-26 14:44       ` Miroslav Benes
2020-03-26 15:04         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-03-26 13:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-26 13:56     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-26 15:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-26 19:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-27  1:00           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-30 17:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-30 19:02               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-30 20:02                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-03-30 20:29                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 11:16                   ` [RFC][PATCH] objtool,ftrace: Implement UNWIND_HINT_RET_OFFSET Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 15:31                     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-03-31 16:06                       ` [RFC][PATCH] x86,ftrace: Shrink ftrace_regs_caller() by one byte Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 19:58                       ` [RFC][PATCH] objtool,ftrace: Implement UNWIND_HINT_RET_OFFSET Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 20:26                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-31 20:23                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-31 20:40                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 21:07                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 21:17                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-31 21:20                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-03-31 22:27                             ` [PATCH v2] " Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 14:14                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-01 14:22                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 14:39                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-01 15:38                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 15:39                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-01 15:43                               ` Julien Thierry
2020-04-01 17:09                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 17:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-01 17:45                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 18:20                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-01 20:20                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-01 17:37                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-02  6:41                                   ` Julien Thierry
2020-04-02  6:56                                     ` Julien Thierry
2020-04-02  7:50                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-02  8:16                                       ` Julien Thierry
2020-04-02  8:17                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-02  8:29                                         ` Julien Thierry
2020-04-02  8:58                                           ` Miroslav Benes
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] objtool: Factor out CFI hints Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 18:26   ` Miroslav Benes
2020-03-25 19:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] objtool: Rename struct cfi_state Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] objtool: Fix !CFI insn_state propagation Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] objtool: Implement noinstr validation Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] objtool: Optimize !vmlinux.o again Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] objtool: Use sec_offset_hash() for insn_hash Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] objtool: Detect loading function pointers across noinstr Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] kbuild/objtool: Add objtool-vmlinux.o pass Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] objtool: Avoid iterating !text section symbols Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] objtool: Rearrange validate_section() Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] objtool: Add STT_NOTYPE noinstr validation Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 17:45 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] objtool: Also consider .entry.text as noinstr Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-25 19:03 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] objtool: vmlinux.o and moinstr validation Miroslav Benes

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