From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Cassio Neri <cassio.neri@gmail.com>,
Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] clocksource: Avoid incorrect hpet fallback
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:04:14 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211111000414.GH641268@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1f43bfad-434f-88d5-b794-4cf1116e9924@redhat.com>
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 06:25:14PM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
>
> On 11/10/21 17:32, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:17:30PM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
> > > It was found that when an x86 system was being stressed by running
> > > various different benchmark suites, the clocksource watchdog might
> > > occasionally mark TSC as unstable and fall back to hpet which will
> > > have a signficant impact on system performance.
> > >
> > > The current watchdog clocksource skew threshold of 50us is found to be
> > > insufficient. So it is changed back to 100us before commit 2e27e793e280
> > > ("clocksource: Reduce clocksource-skew threshold") in patch 1. Patch 2
> > > adds a Kconfig option to allow kernel builder to control the actual
> > > threshold to be used.
> > >
> > > Waiman Long (2):
> > > clocksource: Avoid accidental unstable marking of clocksources
> > > clocksource: Add a Kconfig option for WATCHDOG_MAX_SKEW
> > The ability to control the fine-grained threshold seems useful, but is
> > the TSC still marked unstable when this commit from -rcu is applied?
> > It has passed significant testing on other workloads.
> >
> > 2a43fb0479aa ("clocksource: Forgive repeated long-latency watchdog clocksource reads")
> >
> > If the patch below takes care of your situation, my thought is to
> > also take your second patch, which would allow people to set the
> > cutoff more loosely or more tightly, as their situation dictates.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> That is commit 14dbb29eda51 ("clocksource: Forgive repeated long-latency
> watchdog clocksource reads") in your linux-rcu git tree. From reading the
> patch, I believe it should be able to address the hpet fallback problem that
> Red Hat had encountered. Your patch said it was an out-of-tree patch. Are
> you planning to mainline it?
Yes, I expect to submit it into the next merge window (not the current
v5.16 merge window, but v5.17). However, if your situation is urgent, and
if it works for you, I could submit it as a fix for an earlier regression.
> Patch 1 of this series contains some testing data that caused hpet fallback
> in our testing runs. In summary, a clock skew of 100us is found to be enough
> to avoid the problem with benchmark runs. However, we have some cases where
> TSC was marked unstable at bootup time with a skew of 200us or more which, I
> believe, was caused by the thermal stress that the system was experiencing
> after running stressful benchmarks for hours.
This sort of thing does show some value for allowing the threshold to
be adjusted. I hope that it does not prove necessary to dynamically
adjust the threshold based on CPU clock frequency, but you never know.
> At the end, we have to revert your clocksource patches before shipping RHEL9
> beta last week.
Which has the disadvantage of leaving the initial clock-skew issues,
but I do understand that introducing one problem even while fixing
another one still counts as a regression.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-11 0:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-10 22:17 Waiman Long
2021-11-10 22:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] clocksource: Avoid accidental unstable marking of clocksources Waiman Long
2021-11-11 4:57 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-11 14:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-12 5:44 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-12 13:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-13 3:43 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-14 15:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-15 2:08 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-15 3:24 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-15 7:59 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-15 14:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-16 1:36 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-16 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-15 19:19 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-10 22:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] clocksource: Add a Kconfig option for WATCHDOG_MAX_SKEW Waiman Long
2021-11-10 22:32 ` [PATCH 0/2] clocksource: Avoid incorrect hpet fallback Paul E. McKenney
2021-11-10 23:25 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 0:04 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2021-11-11 1:19 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 1:23 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-11 1:30 ` Waiman Long
2021-11-11 1:53 ` Feng Tang
2021-11-11 3:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
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