From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Nicolas Saenz Julienne <nsaenzju@redhat.com>
Cc: rostedt@goodmis.org, bristot@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing/osnoise: Force quiescent states while tracing
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 09:56:21 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220301175621.GP4285@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b388cdc409fdfae75ef2280674d8211e5b6194e.camel@redhat.com>
On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 11:00:08AM +0100, Nicolas Saenz Julienne wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-02-28 at 14:11 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 03:14:23PM +0100, Nicolas Saenz Julienne wrote:
> > > At the moment running osnoise on an isolated CPU and a PREEMPT_RCU
> > > kernel might have the side effect of extending grace periods too much.
> > > This will eventually entice RCU to schedule a task on the isolated CPU
> > > to end the overly extended grace period, adding unwarranted noise to the
> > > CPU being traced in the process.
Ah, I misread the above paragraph. Apologies!
Nevertheless, could you please add something explicit to the effect that
RCU is completing grace periods as required?
> > > So, check if we're the only ones running on this isolated CPU and that
> > > we're on a PREEMPT_RCU setup. If so, let's force quiescent states in
> > > between measurements.
And yes, if you don't want RCU to try to forcibly extract a quiescent
state from you, you must supply a quiescent state to RCU. ;-)
> > > Non-PREEMPT_RCU setups don't need to worry about this as osnoise main
> > > loop's cond_resched() will go though a quiescent state for them.
> > >
> > > Note that this same exact problem is what extended quiescent states were
> > > created for. But adapting them to this specific use-case isn't trivial
> > > as it'll imply reworking entry/exit and dynticks/context tracking code.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Nicolas Saenz Julienne <nsaenzju@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > > kernel/trace/trace_osnoise.c | 19 +++++++++++++++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/kernel/trace/trace_osnoise.c b/kernel/trace/trace_osnoise.c
> > > index 870a08da5b48..4928358f6e88 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/trace/trace_osnoise.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/trace/trace_osnoise.c
> > > @@ -21,7 +21,9 @@
> > > #include <linux/uaccess.h>
> > > #include <linux/cpumask.h>
> > > #include <linux/delay.h>
> > > +#include <linux/tick.h>
> > > #include <linux/sched/clock.h>
> > > +#include <linux/sched/isolation.h>
> > > #include <uapi/linux/sched/types.h>
> > > #include <linux/sched.h>
> > > #include "trace.h"
> > > @@ -1295,6 +1297,7 @@ static int run_osnoise(void)
> > > struct osnoise_sample s;
> > > unsigned int threshold;
> > > u64 runtime, stop_in;
> > > + unsigned long flags;
> > > u64 sum_noise = 0;
> > > int hw_count = 0;
> > > int ret = -1;
> > > @@ -1386,6 +1389,22 @@ static int run_osnoise(void)
> > > osnoise_stop_tracing();
> > > }
> > >
> > > + /*
> > > + * Check if we're the only ones running on this nohz_full CPU
> > > + * and that we're on a PREEMPT_RCU setup. If so, let's fake a
> > > + * QS since there is no way for RCU to know we're not making
> > > + * use of it.
> > > + *
> > > + * Otherwise it'll be done through cond_resched().
> > > + */
> > > + if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU) &&
> > > + !housekeeping_cpu(raw_smp_processor_id(), HK_FLAG_MISC) &&
> > > + tick_nohz_tick_stopped()) {
> > > + local_irq_save(flags);
> > > + rcu_momentary_dyntick_idle();
And yes, rcu_momentary_dyntick_idle() is a good way to supply a quiescent
state to RCU. This won't help Tasks RCU or Tasks Rude RCU, but you can
avoid those by avoiding changing tracing state while running osnoise.
> > > + local_irq_restore(flags);
> >
> > What is supposed to happen in this case is that RCU figures out that
> > there is a nohz_full CPU running for an extended period of time in the
> > kernel and takes matters into its own hands. This goes as follows on
> > a HZ=1000 kernel with default RCU settings:
> >
> > o At about 20 milliseconds into the grace period, RCU makes
> > cond_resched() report quiescent states, among other things.
> > As you say, this does not help for CONFIG_PREEMPT=n kernels.
> >
> > o At about 30 milliseconds into the grace period, RCU forces an
> > explicit context switch on the wayward CPU. This should get
> > the CPU's attention even in CONFIG_PREEMPT=y kernels.
> >
> > So what is happening for you instead?
>
> Well, that's exactly what I'm seeing, but it doesn't play well with osnoise.
Whew!!! ;-)
> Here's a simplified view of what the tracer does:
>
> time1 = get_time();
> while(1) {
> time2 = get_time();
> if (time2 - time1 > threshold)
> trace_noise();
> cond_resched();
> time1 = time2;
> }
>
> This is pinned to a specific CPU, and in the most extreme cases is expected to
> take 100% of CPU time. Eventually, some SMI, NMI/interrupt, or process
> execution will trigger the threshold, and osnoise will provide some nice traces
> explaining what happened.
>
> RCU forcing a context switch on the wayward CPU is introducing unwarranted
> noise as it's triggered by the fact we're measuring and wouldn't happen
> otherwise.
>
> If this were user-space, we'd be in an EQS, which would make this problem go
> away. An option would be mimicking this behaviour (assuming irq entry/exit code
> did the right thing):
>
> rcu_eqs_enter(); <--
> time1 = get_time();
> while(1) {
> time2 = get_time();
> if (time2 - time1 > threshold)
> trace_noise();
> rcu_eqs_exit(); <--
> cond_resched();
> rcu_eqs_enter(); <--
> time1 = time2;
> }
>
> But given the tight loop this isn't much different than what I'm proposing at
> the moment, isn't it? rcu_momentary_dyntick_idle() just emulates a really fast
> EQS entry/exit.
And that is in fact exactly what rcu_momentary_dyntick_idle() was
intended for:
Acked-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-01 17:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-28 14:14 Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-02-28 15:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-03-01 10:59 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-01 17:30 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-02-28 20:00 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-01 10:52 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-01 17:55 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-01 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-03-01 18:44 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-01 18:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-03-01 19:29 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-01 19:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-03-01 19:53 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-02-28 22:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-03-01 10:00 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-01 17:44 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-01 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2022-03-02 10:46 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-04 14:28 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-04 14:36 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-04 14:39 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-04 14:51 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-04 15:28 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-04 15:37 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2022-03-04 15:55 ` Nicolas Saenz Julienne
2022-03-04 16:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
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